Unbalance team for more than 15 minutes (archived by $4m4el)

[$4m4el]

they didnt break any rule so i dont see any reason to continue this thread.

[Maths]

they didnt break any rule so i dont see any reason to continue this thread.

I think you skipped the part where they used !put and put omer to allies , isnt that what you call abuse ? and constant !owned , like spamming it everytime ?
And also how is 2 v 4 is fair anyway ?
Was butcher wrong in asking a player to switch to allies too ?
Now your meaning is that an age old twc supreme doesnt know what exactly is the definition of unbalanced team is ?




Lets just say in 2 v 4 , the two peoples in the 2 player team are inexperienced/not good in frags
And in one of the 4 , nirv/draken is playing. Nirv can easily take on 2 of those ppls easily , so its highly unbalanced as you can see , but if nirv switches to to 2 player team , its what we call a balanced team.

I think you have skipped many parts and didnt further look into this incident , please consider these points , i mentioned here

[Tuksi]

they didnt break any rule so i dont see any reason to continue this thread.

I think you skipped the part where they used !put and put omer to allies , isnt that what you call abuse ? and constant !owned , like spamming it everytime ?
And also how is 2 v 4 is fair anyway ?
Was butcher wrong in asking a player to switch to allies too ?
Now your meaning is that an age old twc supreme doesnt know what exactly is the definition of unbalanced team is ?




Lets just say in 2 v 4 , the two peoples in the 2 player team are inexperienced/not good in frags
And in one of the 4 , nirv/draken is playing. Nirv can easily take on 2 of those ppls easily , so its highly unbalanced as you can see , but if nirv switches to to 2 player team , its what we call a balanced team.

I think you have skipped many parts and didnt further look into this incident , please consider these points , i mentioned here

I thinks we are done with unbalanced team situation..
Yeah I might down eron when I put him to allies but it's ok since he changed back to axis right after it.
Sorry to Mega and Samael if I did wrong there.. My last post to this thread.

[Maths]

Well tuksi and lanttu , i think this rule is actually changed !
When you put omer to allies , i thought there's a fault in that enchmod command you used .
You should have actually said so that +3 is the rule , but you put him first , which made me think that +3 is typographical error !
Sorry for the inconvenience i caused , but it hardly matters i think .
Just another rule like selfkill when a panzer shoots , but no charge if he vaporize himself while we shoot him , we dont kill that way or molotov . But i think you guys do follow rules strictly!
I think this thread should be closed!

[Lanttu]

+3 rule was written by megaslow if im not mistaken, and no its not an error lol, just because you dislike it, doesnt mean its an error. Anyway my last response to maths and I agree, close topic

[Maths]

Its not what i say i dislike , i said it because as far as i know +2 is what you say unbalance , in all servers of et i have played and also nd when i used to play here .
The rule is changed which lead to this incident.

[Butcher]

Ducks,

I like the Finnducks, we played with yesterday, they are really good boys. Though this time I regret to confirm what Maths explained: that match has become unfair with 3 advanced TWC members and 1 novice guest against both of us (me and Maths). It was unfair and annoying, disappointing that we had to ask several times to balance teams, but they did not. Moreover they were all at Axis which makes the game even worse, as they could block the game in this position. 3 advanced TWC members at Allies vs 2 TWC members and the guest at Axis would be a far more fair team setup.

I know that formally they have not broken the team balance rule of ND, which states that +3 players is accounted for as unbalance, but with 4-4 players (4 humans vs 2 humans and 2 bots...) 4 vs 2 really means unbalance.

So I think the TWC Finnducks at Axis should be warned and reminded of their obligation to balance teams with common sense and they should not hide behind a rule that cannot cover games setups with different numbers (4....10 per team) of players.

As a further step I would suggest to amend this rule with +3 players difference. E.g. >25% difference but I think the best solution is to use common sense, so when admins/membes see that the one of the teams cannot come out of spawn or proceed beyond a certan map point.

Please do not consider my comments as any requests for punishment but as suggestions for constructive gameplay.

[Storch]

I never understood this rather recent +3 modification of the rule regarding fair teams and this is a perfect example why it's a highly questionable modification.

According to the rule, even 1 vs 3 would be fair and even if the 3 were all twc members and the 1 guy a random newbie no one of the twc people would have to do anything about the balance... How is this sensible?
Of course, as Maths rightfully pointed out, with a higher number of players (which ND recently sadly cannot provide anymore) it does not matter much if it's 15 vs 13 or maybe even 10 vs 8 players. But the fewer people are in the server, the more unbalanced it gets by uneven numbers of players per team. That's why you just cannot make a general rule out of this and say only a +3 balance is uneven. You also have to apply common sense to the rule, otherwise some super smart people, like lanntu in this case, will stretch the rule so far as to make the game unfair even within the limits of the existing rules...

Surely making a rule with specific numbers like +3 helps people to know when to act, but taking this rule too strict and too literal will produce situations like these. At the latest when people begin complaining about uneven teams a proper twc admin should change something, even if it is NOT +3 yet but only +1 or +2.

[Kenny]

The +3 rule if I remember correctly was meant to be used like the example given to it (8 Axis vs. 11 Allies) but it seems like it's being misused just to make the gameplay for others even more unfair.

[WeeD21]

I personally think this +3 rule is gonna make more people leave the server overall, i agree with Kenny on this one. And if u see the game is going boring and 2vs4 unfair i would instantly change as a twc member, cause i dont want to play with bots after it. Maths reacting and posting this is not a bad thing , is it a rule or not ,i think its just stupid.