3rd of august 2021

[Narko]

No download was closed nearly 2 months ago (https://board.twcclan.org/thread-9312.html) . Read the thread made by Zone and you'll see no one really was against it, except $4m4el: "Just change the name back to No download and change the mapcycle back to the original one and players will come back" (I had edit this, because his original reply did not make any sense in any language).
Now theres people who wants to see No download on the serverlist again, which is fine and its totally okay. BUT I cannot see any thread about this issue, so my only doubt is : If No download comes back, will these players really play there? Theres no point on opening a server, if its going to be empty all the time.
W:ET was released back in 2003. Majority of the players who played back then has started playing other games and they probably don't even remember ET anymore. Its really hard to get any new players and even if people are interested in playing ET, one visit on TWC forum and they'll pretty much realize that our servers are not for them. Wtf is all this toxicity? If we want to see year 2021, we really have look in the mirror and think for a second "what can we do in a different way?". We cannot get any new players/guests/members if we continue like this. People flaming others and being complete assholes. If I was a guest, I wouldnt play in our servers or visit our forum if I saw how we've been handling things for the past 2-3 months. Its time to move on. These problems we have in our community cannot be discussed only in shoutbox, if theres a problem and you want to solve it, please make a thread and we'll discuss the matter together.

Also one thing that really triggers me is old members and supremes coming back to shoutbox/discord and crying over something that happened months or even years ago that led in to them leaving the clan. This happens like every other week. Move on please. We know how you feel, since you've explained yourself for like 200 times already, you don't have to do that again.

I know I'm not the perfect person to make this kind of thread since I am one of those most hated finntards and I'm on the admins who dissappeared for a month and then came back and closed No download. I admit it, I am probably the worst supreme there has ever been. I made a mistake one I'm not proud of, but I would like to see No download rise again, but if the community stays like it is right now, that wont happen, trust me.

And maybe we should consider becoming multigaming community, because theres just a handful of ET players.

Re-open No download, but first everyone take a good look at your own attitude.

If this post hurt someones feelings, sorry.

Thanks.

Narko

[Valk]

Finally someone has made this topic, it's been a long awaited.

I would firstly like to point out that yes there wouldn't be any point in opening a server to have it empty but people want ND and I can see players there. What about the servers like Vietnam, and all the others. Every time I check BG, Sniper and Panzerwar, 1-2 players max and that's at numerous times throughout the day. On the odd occasion there might be a few more on BG.

There's no harm in trying I guess, as I've said before, I'd play on ND even if I don't frag anymore and tj only. ND was enjoyable, even sometimes with bots.

Regards, valk

[Mark Rutte]

Personally I don't care about ND, Beginners, Nitmod or Jaymod. Just want an active TWC server. Hopefully more activity after summer months.

[ZonElax]

Hey.

Thank you Narko for opening this thread, it's finally time to discuss about the issues we're facing for the last few months. I see a lot of hate and bad behaviour on a daily basis. What happened, why is everyone filled with so much anger and hate? Was closing ND a wrong decision? Why didn't you say anything before? Did you just realize how much you miss ND now that it's closed? The decision came pretty fast I admit, but I gave you some time to say your piece.

Let's start with making better atmosphere and nicer enviroment for new guests first, then we'll be opening new servers. I would also like to make a compromise, I suggest the following:

Since you guys want to play on a jaymod server with double jump, with default maps, I can turn Events server (currently running with Star Wars mod) into one. In fact, Star Wars server never really got the chance to get active, since TWC servers are not crowded for a few months now. Now my idea is to put defualt maps on Star Wars server which is running on Jaymod. I know having the mod on doesn't make it a No Download server, but Warden and other individuals put a lot of effort in making the server. Or if you guys don't feel like playing on a server with a mod, I can just turn on Jaymod (server).

Whatever the case, I would love to give you something, but you guys have to show some gratitude and some respect. And most importainly, you have to give me some activity. Saying I'm using summer vacations only for an excuse is not cool (it's also the truth - among other reasons). Some of you know my IRL situation, and you know how hard it is for me to find some time to actually turn on my PC (I can play once per week - at max).

Also, what's up with Nitmod (old Beginners). Why are there so many hurt faces and so many leavings? (Vicious, Darkmyst, LePresident, Sadness, Hexomega, and others) What really happened? I thought we cleared this up, but there are still people hurt - badly hurt. Could we fix it, could we make a truce? I thought you wanted new Supremes - yo got it, I thought we should merge two servers into one to gain on activity - we did it, I thought you needed my support - you got it, big time! What's the case, please enlighten me.

And the last thing. Hateful comments about Panzerwar and Sniperwar has to stop. I'm well aware they're not the most active servers out there, but there are still some people willing to play, especially on Panzerwar. Having around 3 to 5 players is a huge deal (considering it's not a basic frag server). People like Papounet, Nakoura, Lighning and now Number are still a great part of PW, and without them server wouldn't survive. Sniperwar had its good days, it's currently a bit inactive, it just needs a little push - with your help we can make it rise again. Also I believe we are one of the last reminding Panzerwar and Sniperwar owners in the whole ET. That says a lot! We should be proud of it.

Please thing about it, and let me know what are you thoughts. Say what's on your mind, share your ideas with others. But, please no more dramas, no more hateful comments, no more hate, no more trolling, I'm sick of it. I know it's hard to please everybody, but there are million demands, I just cannot grant them all. Try to accept some compromises, give it a try instead of hating it the first second.

Thank you! Take care.

[Conqueror]

Also, what's up with Nitmod (old Beginners). Why are there so many hurt faces and so many leavings? (Vicious, Darkmyst, LePresident, Sadness, Hexomega, and others) What really happened? I thought we cleared this up, but there are still people hurt - badly hurt. Could we fix it, could we make a truce? I thought you wanted new Supremes - yo got it, I thought we should merge two servers into one to gain on activity - we did it, I thought you needed my support - you got it, big time! What's the case, please enlighten me.

Hey
First of all , those hurt faces aren't from Sadness and Hexomega. And tbh I understand why did they left. We are just pissed with some guys attitude, everytime they visits the forum they are saying "At least I have no mask"; "Grab the dagger back" ; "Bucket with mud throwed in my face" . NO
I simply do not need to say names about this one, everyone knows who is this guy.
And my response : YOU SIMPLY WASN'T SUPREME MATERIAL, SO PLEASE LET HEXOMEGA OUT OF THIS SHIT REASON.
You always did the opposite thing that we required , like: Setting "o" instead of a "0" , we asked for hexomega to have a higher rank , as we all know, he was the perfect admin for Beginners. What we have got? Instead of Hexomega's promotion, we got hexomega's transfer thread.
I stayed on BG because I still had hope, and now Nitmod still got some, with benzje magda and tinta the single ones active. Nice. Also a lot of thanks for Zone, even though he is giving the best for us, he is dedicating his time for TWC. Well done Zone. I also missed the meetings, my mistake. Won't happen again.



Anyway, this thread is about Jaymod so let's talk about jaymod too. I would say to open their original server since they want that. I agree with this decision and I hope the guests will be respectful and play at least on ND if we will re-open it.

[DarKMyst]

Sorry MR. Conqueror, in spite of Zone asking to stop toxic messages or hatefull comments, you still have to put a knife in my back. but let it be. You seem to forget that BG was growing and still was till the moment I left. There was/is only one way to keep a community/clan stable and growing, even when people loose interest in ET. Active members and commited members,!! Keep it simple and so now and then change some minor parts ( like maps and adding colorfull effects.) Last time I will bring up this fact, hexyboy eas inactive for a long time, showed up so now and then, not saying he has no reason, but once a month or two monts, i dont call that active. Later on ( and the server was running FINE.!! ) He showed up on a regular base and THEN the complaining started.!! All kind of settings suddenly were not good, lags and spikes suddenly came up, just a minor part of the active players had so now and then problems with it. Other members were fine with it.!! I can come up with more fsacts, but I only want one thing, be honest direct and open. Dont come up with lies or facts made up by your big friend.!! Yes i made mistakes , but you bever can tell that the server was bad under LePresident and me. ! And dont you find it childish to come up with a fact that a supreme ( after he was asked to do so !! ) makes a typo in settings and then throw dirt in his face about it.? Grow up man.!! This is my last word on these issues, I hop TWC will come back on a stable basis again and hope that some members look in the mirror and stop being innocent babies.!! Grow up, be active and committed and keep it simple and fun, more i dont want to say.!! I will ask Zone to delete me as clanfriend and remove everything what has to do with TWC. So you can rest in peace and dont have to face the reality where you closed your eyes for.!!

[HeXomega]

I will ask Zone to delete me as clanfriend and remove everything what has to do with TWC. So you can rest in peace and dont have to face the reality where you closed your eyes for.!!

Oh yes, please do that. We'll be finally free from your nonsense gibberish and made up stories. Did you forget to take your meds, old man? You seem to can't get over it till months, it seems I'm stuck in your head forever. You always come back here and on Discord and crying like a child and telling you won't talk about it, but still do. Grow up, take your meds and chill.

All the talk about me, without talking to me directly, lol.

Also, what's up with Nitmod (old Beginners). Why are there so many hurt faces and so many leavings? (Vicious, Darkmyst, LePresident, Sadness, Hexomega, and others) What really happened? I thought we cleared this up, but there are still people hurt - badly hurt. Could we fix it, could we make a truce? I thought you wanted new Supremes - yo got it, I thought we should merge two servers into one to gain on activity - we did it, I thought you needed my support - you got it, big time! What's the case, please enlighten me.

To enlighten you, here is the short version:
- Vicious left because he was upset of a decision of the supreme team and couldn't agree with them, so didn't want to stay as HA and represent BG anymore. I personally still agree with him on the topic.

- DarkMyst left because he thinks he is personally attacked by me and thinks I had turned the memberbase against him. While in reality I just transfered to ND and never said anything in public. Some members / HAs / guests knew what was up anyways, because they are not blind. Also he told us in the past like 4 or 5 times that he will leave BG, just because we disagreed with him on minor topics. Most mature supreme of BG in history

- It seems LePresident left because of real life and losing activity. I don't know for sure though, we never talked with each other again, after I transfered.

- Sadness left because he really put thought and work into the server, but supremes/MSTs didn't acknowledged his work and time he gave to BG. He also criticized some behaviours and failures on the server and got hate for it. He found so many bugs/problems and even gave solutions for it, but it seems it was overlooked or the peeps in power didn't care.

- I left because of the incompetence on BG and how it was handled at the time. There were so many things wrong, from the handling of the members to faulty settings clear to see for everybody. It got worse over time and nothing changed, also the supremes felt attacked personally, when we as HA talked about the server and what is wrong. In the end I transfered because I had enough of this bullshit. I couldn't change nothing myself and members and guests messaging me almost daily about the state of the server and to change something.

[ZonElax]

Thank you for a cleaner picture, now it will be easier to make things right. It's no sense in hiding anymore, make everything public. We're doing so anyways, by posting hateful comments on the shoutbox and on Discord as well. We're adults, so everyone is smart enough to know what's wrong and what's right.

Let's put everything on the table and go on from there. It has gotten us nowhere so far, like I said. No more hiding and wearing masks, as some of you like to say.

Also Valk, this is your chance to speak, and others such as Lee*, Lanttu, They_are_coming, Mystik, nebel, etc...

Cheers.

[Conqueror]

Sorry MR. Conqueror, in spite of Zone asking to stop toxic messages or hatefull comments, you still have to put a knife in my back. but let it be. You seem to forget that BG was growing and still was till the moment I left. There was/is only one way to keep a community/clan stable and growing, even when people loose interest in ET. Active members and commited members,!! Keep it simple and so now and then change some minor parts ( like maps and adding colorfull effects.) Last time I will bring up this fact, hexyboy eas inactive for a long time, showed up so now and then, not saying he has no reason, but once a month or two monts, i dont call that active. Later on ( and the server was running FINE.!! ) He showed up on a regular base and THEN the complaining started.!! All kind of settings suddenly were not good, lags and spikes suddenly came up, just a minor part of the active players had so now and then problems with it. Other members were fine with it.!! I can come up with more fsacts, but I only want one thing, be honest direct and open. Dont come up with lies or facts made up by your big friend.!! Yes i made mistakes , but you bever can tell that the server was bad under LePresident and me. ! And dont you find it childish to come up with a fact that a supreme ( after he was asked to do so !! ) makes a typo in settings and then throw dirt in his face about it.? Grow up man.!! This is my last word on these issues, I hop TWC will come back on a stable basis again and hope that some members look in the mirror and stop being innocent babies.!! Grow up, be active and committed and keep it simple and fun, more i dont want to say.!! I will ask Zone to delete me as clanfriend and remove everything what has to do with TWC. So you can rest in peace and dont have to face the reality where you closed your eyes for.!!

First of all, MR. Victim with all the knives in his back, "my friend" didn't come up with lies to me, you are the one with the lies, I was literally on our discord remember? when I was MR Green Conqueror, I saw everything. Everyone saw everything.
Second of all, you always come here and talk about hexomega and you are like "I told you,he had his mask on his face all of this time" but idk, since no one gave a shit, only me and him. And we did that because you are very annoying. Same reason why we wanted another supreme in your place. So please, forget about this case. As I know, you are a member from TeamMuppet, what are you doing here everytime?

[Valk]

As much as this is a funny read, maybe delete the comments and just have it as an open discussion about reopening ND

This stuff is just petty and in the past