What happened to unity?

[ZonElax]

Hello dear members,

as of lately I have noticed a lot of negative and not so friendly conversations between members and even guests. What is the deal about that? I see a lot of hate going towards Finnish players, but I cannot seem to understand why this is still happening. Their community is pretty big and they're very united, unlike the rest of our clan. Instead of everybody hating on them why don't we look up to them and learn a bit more about unity. It's the one thing that's missing in our community and if this is going to continue, I am not sure where we will end up. Yes, I said harsh things about them as well, but the more thought I give it, the more I admire them. They're absolutely dominating on activity, they're very good players (sometimes too good :P), but most importaintly as mentioned before they're UNITED. Please stop with the stereotypes and accept them as fellow members and guests. I can see many will disagree with me and will accuse me of unfair treatement towards other members. My point here is to make peace and friendly enviroment where everybody is treated equally and given chance, even the second chance. We're a clan, that actually means we are ONE. We should stick together and not fight useless wars and disagreements. I know we're very different from eachother and we come from different families all over the world, but we all have something in common. That something is Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.

The fights on Discord or on the Forum occur almost on daily basis now. Why? Give me a valid reason and explain to me why is this happening? Why are we adding more rules just to be broken in matter of seconds? We've tried to remove as much of the rules as possible and things are still not in order (I mean mostly on No Download). What do you want from me? Please think about your actions first, only then give opinions. We all have our subjetive opinions, which doesn't mean the other guy is wrong. I am trying to be objective here and I'm eager to listen to the both parts of the story.

Also what the hack happened to the rules on Discord? I've looked up the official rules and it clearly says the main language on Discord is English. Disrespectful, offensive and sexually related speech is forbidden as well. Also I forgot to mention that spamming is not allowed either. Hearing about 'kys' (kill yourself) and 'idiot' is not the way to communicate with fellow member. Please respect everyone equally.

Please, I am begging you, before you make a post or leave a comment think about it and don't make it subjective. Thank you!


PS: Please read the following quotes from MayheM and Ligustah as well.

MayheM

Guys we see it everyday in almost every thread here. Guys wanting to fight and start fights. It was comical in the beggining, but now it's just exhausting everyone.

No one likes to see this. Guests who think about joining come in and see all this fighting have to be like, 'wth I'm not joining this clan'.

I hear from members all the time complaining about all the petty complaints.

Like what Divine told me, we don't all have to get along, but we do have to play together and we should be civil with each other at the very least. Like all families we have fights, but unlike all families our fights never end. You can't seem to get past the current fight and become friends again before starting a new fight.

I don't have to mention any names here. We all should know by now how to get along. However alot of us don't seem to get it. You don't seem to notice how immature it looks or maybe you just don't care.

What ever the reason, please try to be nicer to one another ingame and especially in forum, because you may not notice, but people seeing you carry on this way will not want to join our clan. That's when it becomes a real problem.

So please try to be nice to each other ingame and forum. Use xfire or something if you wanna fight. And if you can't work things out then perhaps you should look into joining another clan, because we are all getting sick of it.

Ligustah

I'd like to add my point to this.

I know from my personal experience that people cannot always get along well, but it is my very opinion that there are at least two ways of handling such a sitution. You can either cry a lot and act the drama queen or be a little professional and simply avoid to clash with the persons you know you can't stand.
Nobody will ever force you to talk to the guys you don't like.

It's these sorts of fights that make me lose the faith in the TWC community. We have always had little problems here and there, but lately I feel like you guys are pushing it to a degree that makes me think twice before connecting to a server that I might not enjoy playing on, because of people who cannot control their mouths. On top of that, do you think we guys have fun dealing with your preschool attitude in forum all day long?
So please guys, think about how you handle problems in a way that doesn't bite the hands that feed you.

TWC was made for people to have fun, and I have a hard time believing this is fun to you.

Take care,
ZonElax.

[Number]

"TWC was made for people to have fun"

Okay



So this is the fun/peace/unity what are you looking for? I don't think if it's funny when someone (this time supreme) makes a fun of you especially when you are muted (for spamming in my case).

[Nirv]

For number :

You spam, get muted and then complain of being made fun of ?

It’s like if you robbed a bank, get caught, being put in prison and then complain about your punishement ?

Sorry but before complaining, act normal in the first place. And try to be irreproachable

This is ridiculous and anyway on the screenshot you see nothing wrong ? Just Thrasher saying long time no see, which is normal, he’s probably high as phoque and probably forgot that he saw you 5 mins ago.

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And zone’s post isn’t the place to put complains about other members and/or supreme. There is a sub forum section made for this

[Number]

For number :

You spam, get muted and then complain of being made fun of ?

It’s like if you robbed a bank, get caught, being put in prison and then complain about your punishement ?

Sorry but before complaining, act normal in the first place. And try to be irreproachable

This is ridiculous and anyway on the screenshot you see nothing wrong ? Just Thrasher saying long time no see, which is normal, he’s probably high as phoque and probably forgot that he saw you 5 mins ago.

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And zone’s post isn’t the place to put complains about other members and/or supreme. There is a sub forum section made for this

1. I don't know the real reason why I was muted for. I only thought it was because of a spamming with "ban" stuff and so.

2. I understand your point of a view, however you take this as a fun, but I'm letting you know that when you are muted somewhere and somebody starts to annoy you it's not funny at all (for people like me)

3. This is not a complain, I have read all what zone wrote here, I'm just showing how some twc members acts, and I don't think this is the right way to make a peace/unity.

[Nirv]

Solution 1 :

/sv_chats 0

Profit

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Solution 2 :
/players

ID, playername
3, -TWC|Thrasher

/ignore 3

Profit

[Bl@ckeye]

Hello dear members,

as of lately I have noticed a lot of negative and not so friendly conversations between members and even guests. What is the deal about that? I see a lot of hate going towards Finnish players, but I cannot seem to understand why this is still happening. Their community is pretty big and they're very united, unlike the rest of our clan. Instead of everybody hating on them why don't we look up to them and learn a bit more about unity. It's the one thing that's missing in our community and if this is going to continue, I am not sure where we will end up. Yes, I said harsh things about them as well, but the more thought I give it, the more I admire them. They're absolutely dominating on activity, they're very good players (sometimes too good :P), but most importaintly as mentioned before they're UNITED. Please stop with the stereotypes and accept them as fellow members and guests. I can see many will disagree with me and will accuse me of unfair treatement towards other members. My point here is to make peace and friendly enviroment where everybody is treated equally and given chance, even the second chance. We're a clan, that actually means we are ONE. We should stick together and not fight useless wars and disagreements. I know we're very different from eachother and we come from different families all over the world, but we all have something in common. That something is Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.

The fights on Discord or on the Forum occur almost on daily basis now. Why? Give me a valid reason and explain to me why is this happening? Why are we adding more rules just to be broken in matter of seconds? We've tried to remove as much of the rules as possible and things are still not in order (I mean mostly on No Download). What do you want from me? Please think about your actions first, only then give opinions. We all have our subjetive opinions, which doesn't mean the other guy is wrong. I am trying to be objective here and I'm eager to listen to the both parts of the story.

Also what the hack happened to the rules on Discord? I've looked up the official rules and it clearly says the main language on Discord is English. Disrespectful, offensive and sexually related speech is forbidden as well. Also I forgot to mention that spamming is not allowed either. Hearing about 'kys' (kill yourself) and 'idiot' is not the way to communicate with fellow member. Please respect everyone equally.

Please, I am begging you, before you make a post or leave a comment think about it and don't make it subjective. Thank you!


PS: Please read the following quotes from MayheM and Ligustah as well.

MayheM

Guys we see it everyday in almost every thread here. Guys wanting to fight and start fights. It was comical in the beggining, but now it's just exhausting everyone.

No one likes to see this. Guests who think about joining come in and see all this fighting have to be like, 'wth I'm not joining this clan'.

I hear from members all the time complaining about all the petty complaints.

Like what Divine told me, we don't all have to get along, but we do have to play together and we should be civil with each other at the very least. Like all families we have fights, but unlike all families our fights never end. You can't seem to get past the current fight and become friends again before starting a new fight.

I don't have to mention any names here. We all should know by now how to get along. However alot of us don't seem to get it. You don't seem to notice how immature it looks or maybe you just don't care.

What ever the reason, please try to be nicer to one another ingame and especially in forum, because you may not notice, but people seeing you carry on this way will not want to join our clan. That's when it becomes a real problem.

So please try to be nice to each other ingame and forum. Use xfire or something if you wanna fight. And if you can't work things out then perhaps you should look into joining another clan, because we are all getting sick of it.

Ligustah

I'd like to add my point to this.

I know from my personal experience that people cannot always get along well, but it is my very opinion that there are at least two ways of handling such a sitution. You can either cry a lot and act the drama queen or be a little professional and simply avoid to clash with the persons you know you can't stand.
Nobody will ever force you to talk to the guys you don't like.

It's these sorts of fights that make me lose the faith in the TWC community. We have always had little problems here and there, but lately I feel like you guys are pushing it to a degree that makes me think twice before connecting to a server that I might not enjoy playing on, because of people who cannot control their mouths. On top of that, do you think we guys have fun dealing with your preschool attitude in forum all day long?
So please guys, think about how you handle problems in a way that doesn't bite the hands that feed you.

TWC was made for people to have fun, and I have a hard time believing this is fun to you.

Take care,
ZonElax.

Hi bin zwar kein Mitglied mehr aber ihr denkt immer noch das es nette Menschen sind.... OK einige aber die anderen haben einfach kein tolles benehmen war als ich schon da war so es wird auch immer so bleiben.... Das auch einer mit der Gründe warum ich froh bin weg zu sein sind viele kinder da die keinen Respekt haben.... Denkt mal drüber nach

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Hi bin zwar kein Mitglied mehr aber ihr denkt immer noch das es nette Menschen sind.... OK einige aber die anderen haben einfach kein tolles benehmen war als ich noch da war so es wird auch immer so bleiben.... Das auch einer mit der Gründe warum ich froh bin weg zu sein sind viele kinder da die keinen Respekt haben.... Denkt mal drüber nach

[|Warden]

Things like drama, arguments, chit-chat war etc. are (and used to be) a big part of this community and I'm sure you know it very well Zone. I've seen so many things back in 2012-13, I lost count. Then I said "let's move on and come back a few years later"... clan is alive but nothing has changed. So the conclusion is: The lack of unity and solidarity will cause even more problems as long as the community stay alive. Solving this problem is kinda difficult, since some people can't even drink the morning coffee without starting some irrational shitstorm on different online platforms. In addition the virus makes the scenario even worse, because people have to stay at home and they get bored easily.

[Narko]

Hi bin zwar kein Mitglied mehr aber ihr denkt immer noch das es nette Menschen sind.... OK einige aber die anderen haben einfach kein tolles benehmen war als ich schon da war so es wird auch immer so bleiben.... Das auch einer mit der Gründe warum ich froh bin weg zu sein sind viele kinder da die keinen Respekt haben.... Denkt mal drüber nach

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Hi bin zwar kein Mitglied mehr aber ihr denkt immer noch das es nette Menschen sind.... OK einige aber die anderen haben einfach kein tolles benehmen war als ich noch da war so es wird auch immer so bleiben.... Das auch einer mit der Gründe warum ich froh bin weg zu sein sind viele kinder da die keinen Respekt haben.... Denkt mal drüber nach

Maybe you should use english instead of german.



On topic:

Finnhating has been a thing in TWC since 2016 when Tupakki and Snowman suddenly appeared . Its been almost 5 years and this is still a thing.

Think about it: Theres one finnish supreme, one leader (well, 2 if you count Snowman), one co-leader, one level 7 admin + numerous lower level members. We would not have this many high ranked finns if we were trolling all the time. We do realise that we've made mistakes in the past, but we just have to live with it.

If we want to keep TWC alive, we have to move on and forget all these things. You don't have to like everyone, but you have to stop the witch-hunt.

PS. When I saw the name of this thread, I thought Zone was talking about Unity game engine.

[Nirv]

Im playing with Finnish people since a while now.

In the past before joining TWC as well.

They are in general decent players.

With a great sense of humour

I don’t understand this global hate towards them.

When I took over HS / ND, I was playing mostly with them and it was composed of roughly 90 procent of Finnish players.

Our Finnish members and guests are alright. Active and friendly and I never got any issues with any of them.

Ok, sometimes , some of them are being trollish, in a joking way of course but nothing too serious.

If you get some sense of humour and with a bit of self-mockery, it can be fun

i feel like some people are envious and even jealous towards the suomi community and the fact that they are United / Unify?

So yeah, learn to know them, play with them, have fun with them and get along with them, they are nice people really.

And of course stop hating on them.

Now Zone, another problem from this clan is this unhealthy spirit where some persons keep on being unhappy about literally everything, whine, moan and complain about every changes, blame the supreme’s hard work and create topics and useless arguments all the time.
That’s a real nuisance, it’s time consuming and very annoying. Thanks god I have strong nerves and I always try to deal with them and try to understand those people from their point of view (btw they are not fins). I won’t say name but it doesnt matter who they are really ... whether they are guests, ex members, current members or even other supremes... they will recognize themselves.

Adapt yourself to the situations guys, I’ve been explaining why all the changes made on ND was actually made. The changes occurred after polls, heavy discussion within ND HA and members and we try to make our member base happy. We have tested all tests and modified them when they weren’t efficient enough.
Of course we can’t please everyone. But try give a chance and try play with our changes.
They are in my opinion beneficial and we even get a decent amount of guests and core members playing every evening during ND meeting.

[ZonElax]

Hey,

Oh Number, your actions reflects on other people. You just can't help yourself to comment when there is nothing to comment and therefore make useless fights. The world is definately against you, have you ever considered you're the problem? Why don't you play peacefully and mind yourown bussines for once. If you annoy people, what am I supposed to do? Watch how people get annoyed and do nothing... It's not how it works.

Yes Warden I'm absolutely aware of the situation about Covid right now, we're in tough times, but instead of coming together and be stronger we decided to start a war. Why? There's no excuse for being rude or disrespectful towards other people. The activity is really strong and the daily meetings are working (congrats ND team). I'm sure we can do better and improve our behaviour... Together.

Also Narko, I guess you could say I click baited you :P Finns have theirown type of fun, I guess it's not wrong since it's working efficiently.

Salut.