Paavo and Pimp (archived by NightFall)

[James Bond]

In-game name : JamesBond[GR]
Date of incident : 4-10-2017
Server : No Download
Incident : insults, complaining about the way I play.
Have you ever been banned on any TWC server before : Yes
Reason of complaint : Every game I play Paavo (Blaa blaa) and Pimp (Pimpus<3)they keep complaining about the way I play (they say I camp) and Pimp keeps insulting my country by saying things like Greeks should return money they have lent. This has to stop cause it's getting ridiculous and ennoying (let alone it's against server rules).
I NEVER (repeat..NEVER) start conversation with them (I don't feel any respect about them so I don't really want to spend any sec talking to them). They always start insulting me in order to provoke me. Since admins NEVER (repeat... NEVER) protect me as they should, I am forced to reply they way they understand. Please don't say I shouldn't be provoked because when a player provoke admins they always mute and ban him (unless he is a twc member or a friend of them). I believe I deserve as every other player to be protected from insults. Don't say that I reply with insults because as I said I am never protected and they provoke me in every game. For the last time impose your own rules. If they provoke me or insult me mute them (or better ban them since they are experienced players, they have been warned by me dozens of times not to talk to me and they do it on purpose). They only reason they do this is because they can't stop me in game so they found this way to make me stop playing. Just think what you would have done in my place. Don't say you won't reply cause you would be lying. All admins when provoked they way I am they warn, mute and ban players. This doesn't have to do with whether you like me or not. If you are fair you would admit that I NEVER start any conversation of this kind. Anyway when someone is an administrator he should put aside personal likes or dislikes. This is not their personal server anyway, but they are here to keep thing in order. And please don't say that you should also punish me. If you are fair you should punish the one who starts this and stop this situation at the beginning. If you let that go on then you are responsible too. I expect this thing to stop. I have no intention to ever talk to guys like paavo and pimp, I detest them and spending more time for them is a wasted time. If you don't take action though you are forcing me to reply to them cause I value both my country's and personal pride more than they value their pride I guess.

Please only people with a serious argument join this conversation. (the usual guys that only join to insult or being rude please stay out, you won't help just expose yourself).

[Fox]

Screenshot it or some admin check logs.
In my eyes, it's no big deal if you only have to deal with them saying "Greeks should return money they have lent" and that you camp.
This way you never gonna get them suspended/kicked or banned, with proof you may get them muted for a while.

I think your best solution is to ignore, best you can do. Trust me.

[James Bond]

Screenshot it or some admin check logs.
In my eyes, it's no big deal if you only have to deal with them saying "Greeks should return money they have lent" and that you camp.
This way you never gonna get them suspended/kicked or banned, with proof you may get them muted for a while.

I think your best solution is to ignore, best you can do. Trust me.

So you are saying that in this server a player can not be protected from insults against his pride or his country? I value myself and my country more than that man. I expect something that complies with your rules. If you leave that without any punishment next time they will do it all the time. I deserve the right to play without being harassed from them don't I? What If I attack you verbally EVERY game? Will you have the same opinion or will you ban me as soon as I repeat it? Proof is not needed. EVERY ( I repeat EVERY) admin has witnessed this. If you say you will ban them the next time they do it I will get proof, but I think then they will stop. If you protect them then you will open the door for more of that behavior. You have a rule against that and the final punishment can be a ban.
I quote
"No complaining about the way another player plays.
- No complaining of a players weapon choice.
- No name calling, swearing, cursing, rascism, antisemitism and/or disrespect.
- No sexist talk to the ladies in-game. Our servers are not a dating site.
Procedure:
1. Warn
2. Warn + mute
3. Warn + mute again
4. Kick
5. 1 week ban (Proof required, to be posted in the banproof topic)"

[Snowman]

I think your best solution is to ignore, best you can do. Trust me.

This^

They just do it on you because you react to it, just ignore and when they notice that you don't react to that anymore, they will stop it. Easy.

[draken-jager]

They are obviously both trolls and sometimes close to crossing the line with 'insults'.
Most people just ignore them or laugh with them. If you have the feeling they are insulting you or you feel offended, then indeed private messaging one of the admins in the server is the best solution and a warning or mute is in place.

Trolling to a certain degree isn't a problem for me, but they shouldnt insult other guests and cross the line

[Coffee]

To be frank, James has all the right to speak this out here guys. I know both Pimp and Paavo can be a pain in the fucking ass once they start going.

It’s not that I’m totally for your way of handling things/this, James, but seeing this objectively (if that’s somehow possible), I think you guys should take this in serious consideration. We all know these three people involved have a way of trying to smart-mouth each other with tiny insults that get thrown on the big-annoyance-pile.

Tiny shout out to (ND) HA’s to stop thinking certain people deserve or can handle and insult or two. It is just NOT allowed and not fair.

[Robbert]

I think your best solution is to ignore, best you can do. Trust me.

This^

They just do it on you because you react to it, just ignore and when they notice that you don't react to that anymore, they will stop it. Easy.

Snowman speaks out of experience xD

For real James, U have a point but without proof admins can't do anything. Others pm an admin!

[drag]

I think you do not need to pay attention to them

[James Bond]

To be frank, James has all the right to speak this out here guys. I know both Pimp and Paavo can be a pain in the fucking ass once they start going.

It’s not that I’m totally for your way of handling things/this, James, but seeing this objectively (if that’s somehow possible), I think you guys should take this in serious consideration. We all know these three people involved have a way of trying to smart-mouth each other with tiny insults that get thrown on the big-annoyance-pile.

Tiny shout out to (ND) HA’s to stop thinking certain people deserve or can handle and insult or two. It is just NOT allowed and not fair.

Coffee thank you for your comment. I want to point out that I NEVER start this. If they were muted as soon as they started it then they would have stopped. Now they know they can get away with it and they push it all the way. I don't want to have to reply to them EVERY game. Even if I ignore them they take it as a weakness and they insult more. If you warn them that they will be banned the next time I get proof, then they will stop it. Is it so hard to do it? It is in your rules !!! You don't do me any favor, you HAVE to impose your rules. Why do I have to hear this EVERY game? I don't want to talk to them ever, but I don't want them to talk to me either or at least I don't want to hear their insults. They can say whatever they want about allies camping or so, but I don't have to hear their opinion about my way of playing and if I camp or not. I also can;t stand insults about my country. It's not allowed and it's my right to ask for your protection.

[Kokok]

James you are mad on admins since they do not react on Paavo's or Pimpi behaviour. I was there today, and yes, Paavo & Pimp were provoking James, calling him camper (?), also I was when Pimp was talking about Greece. As far as I remember he didn't say anything really offensive, only James took it too serious. Every ND guest and member has used to they behaviour and like really no one take them serious, and just laugh. I don't know how we can punish them. Rather just warn.