Post Moderation

[$ubzero]

I don't know what exactly has been going on here.
Because the stuff started after I left the clan. But is this all because some people say bad stuff?
I don't know how bad the stuff is ofcourse but online you'll always have people saying bad/inappropriate stuff.
People insult each other constantly (not saying it is allowed or ok to do it), all this stuff seems greatly blown up.
to put a Dutch saying: "Maak geen olifant van een mug" ==> Don't make an elephant out of a mosquito

But again I don't know exactly what has happend but this seems blown out of proportion to me.

[Godzilla]

Right off the bat, most of the people saying "no insult" actually are insulting in my opinion.

i am not literally offending none of you but it is still worth nothing for such type of action like this to be taken..

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Be curious about it because i am not happy at all since the beggining of this until you selected a random guy as MST For just the reason that he's some sort of extremely active and "does his job perfectly according to history" ?

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but really.. sky as the mst?

The first quote just irritated me in some way, let that be.
But those 2 last quotes, don't they seem offending/insulting? To me, they lowkey do, as if Hani was hurt in a way or so, I'm not sure.

IMO what you trying to do with this topic will be for nothing.

If you look at all the BG members' comments, they are mostly like "nice idea", "I believe this is going to work" etc. This is where Storch's reply comes to my mind (not offending Storch, that was imo the most non-offending reply other than the MSTs).

There should be some kind of reform regarding PSA for instance. Make it like only 2-3 members can be from the same server. The way it is now BG is isolating itself from all the rest by building up almost the entire PSA team.

I've heard that the people who complain about PSA being mostly BG members, when asked to join themselves, say like they can't or something. Why are they worrying about what PSA is doing if they cannot join it themselves? Why bother? PSA is all about helping other servers attract more guests, which means we're helping them. They shouldn't be bothered imo about it. That, to me, is just a whole bunch of hypocrism.

All in all, I personally believe (since this Post Moderation is keeping an eye on BOTH sides of the drama, not only BG members) this Post Moderation will most likely help fix the problem. If not the roots of the problems, definently a big part of it.

[Coffee]

I've heard that the people who complain about PSA being mostly BG members, when asked to join themselves, say like they can't or something. Why are they worrying about what PSA is doing if they cannot join it themselves? Why bother? PSA is all about helping other servers attract more guests, which means we're helping them. They shouldn't be bothered imo about it. That, to me, is just a whole bunch of hypocrism.

All in all, I personally believe (since this Post Moderation is keeping an eye on BOTH sides of the drama, not only BG members) this Post Moderation will most likely help fix the problem. If not the roots of the problems, definently a big part of it.

I can maybe enlighten that. PsA has been around for many years and many of those people commenting already have had their membership in PsA. I'd not consider this hypocrism. I'd be very patient with commenting when it comes to PsA.

[Storch]

I've heard that the people who complain about PSA being mostly BG members, when asked to join themselves, say like they can't or something. Why are they worrying about what PSA is doing if they cannot join it themselves? Why bother? PSA is all about helping other servers attract more guests, which means we're helping them. They shouldn't be bothered imo about it. That, to me, is just a whole bunch of hypocrism.

That is precisely the problem I guess. BECAUSE there are so many ppl from BG in PSA, no one else wants to join. Because by now many non-BG people have build up negative feelings towards BG (reasons are not the concern right now).

Thus, it's a vicious circle that won't be changed so easily. That's why I think both sides should be willing to make compromises. BG for instance should try to reform PSA themselves, put some people out of PSA for instance and make room for other members of other servers. Other members on the other hand should try to change their view on BG and not to fall so easily to all those prejudices. Both parties have to start to work together. That's the only way to go imo. If one party is isolating itself from the rest (like BG seems to have done in the past in my opinion), the whole balance in the clan is destroyed.

Edit: You should also try to put aside these server-related fights. You're all in one clan, it does not matter which server is the best or whatever. If one server is crowded, be happy about it and try to take part, instead of being jealous and trying to stir up trouble to harm the more crowded server. The same might be true for server transfers. Maybe sometimes you should not encourage someone to transfer, because his homeserver might need him more than your (at the moment popular) server. Start to think more on the clan level, instead of the server level.

Sorry, don't wanna sound like a preacher or something, but at least think about it.

[bboby]

I've heard that the people who complain about PSA being mostly BG members, when asked to join themselves, say like they can't or something. Why are they worrying about what PSA is doing if they cannot join it themselves? Why bother? PSA is all about helping other servers attract more guests, which means we're helping them. They shouldn't be bothered imo about it.

This is a good point of view, why someone should throw words against members of PSA if they don't wanna join PSA and help other servers ? At least psa should have a good amount of players just to atract more guests on a server, so why we should have limits for BG's members or another one ? If they wants to help other servers too ?
Well these are good questions, but Sthorh himself said a BIG truth

BECAUSE there are so many ppl from BG in PSA, no one else wants to join.

So imo we should create a new PSA with same leaders (bcs they are doing a good job ) and the crew should be like 2 members from every server, since the leaders will be from BG, Bg will not have members, so we will have a NEW PSA with

- 2 members of BG
- 2 members of HS
- 2 members of ND
- 2 members of NAM
- 2 members of PW
- 2 members of TJ

Like this will be equallity
If all of you will want to join and to help all TWC Clan to grow up. After all servers will get some guests maybe we can have more mebers like 3/4

Anyway this will be happend just if all of us will put our hand to working and just if psa will be a good TEAM and we should respect all psa members from all servers.

But after this talk, if they will not want to join and to apply this idea ?
Imo current PSA members should leave and if you want a better psa create a new one (i'm talking now with guys who are crying about psa meetings )


Anyway Thanks MSTs for this good hard work to have a system of moderators imo is a verry good thing, but will be so hard to work !!

Regards,
bboby.

[The Master]

not sure if you think this way, but everything i sayd is for the members of bg not every1 and not every1 from or in psa.
psa as itself got nothing do with this exept some people from it.

godzilla to be clear what we say, when we say is no insult ment, is that it is not our purpose so insult or harm any1 in our posts.
ofc if you discus a sensetive thing like this, sometime,s it might happend people do feel attacked or what so ever.
this is why we put it in our posts to not make a drama here.

[Hani]

Old PSA tried it many times.. and nothing happened bboby..

[Godzilla]

But it doesnt hurt to try.
Even if it doesnt work, we still have: compromises, suggested by Storch and the whole Post Moderation.

[bboby]

Old PSA tried it many times.. and nothing happened bboby..

Then current psa should try a lil time to give it another chance if they are getting roasted again they should leave and let another members to lead psa.

[Butcher]

Ducks, the post was basically not about PSA so I'd ask you to go on with PSA stuff in another thread and stick to the point introduced here.