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Post Moderation - Mimus - 18-03-2017
Hello,
as it has come to our - and probably everybody else's - attention that the animosities between certain groups within the clan have still not decreased to an acceptable level we feel the need to finally take action. Especially the number of completely useless, personal off-topic rants by various people in many threads these days will not be tolerated anymore going forward.
Since we haven't found a sensible way of de-escalating things with the members involved, we will (effective immediately) start moderating posts (including the shoutbox) of repeated offenders.
This means that every single post made by those people will be manually approved or removed by a moderator before anyone else will see it, in order to restore a healthy discussion culture. We will effectively start censoring the posts of those people, who are unable to adhere to some basic social standards around here. It will be at our sole discretion to decide what is acceptable and what isn't.
Everybody affected by this measure will be notified appropriately and we will decide about the duration of the penalty on a case by case basis, taking into consideration the severity and number of offenses. Also, people who can not keep their cool after facing post-moderation will be kicked out.
We recon this is a drastic step, but as mentioned earlier all attempts at having the people involved calm down have failed and we don't see why we would allow a small group of people to disrupt the generally good atmosphere for everybody else.
the MST
RE: Post Moderation - SpeeD - 18-03-2017
Sounds like a good idea. Let's hope it'll help to make this clan one community again
RE: Post Moderation - Cross - 18-03-2017
Good start, still not enough IMO.
RE: Post Moderation - Godzilla - 18-03-2017
Nice plan,
+1
RE: Post Moderation - The Master - 18-03-2017
(18-03-2017, 12:31 AM)Mimus Wrote: Hello,its about time however i do not call this taking action.
as it has come to our - and probably everybody else's - attention that the animosities between certain groups within the clan have still not decreased to an acceptable level we feel the need to finally take action.
(18-03-2017, 12:31 AM)Mimus Wrote: Especially the number of completely useless, personal off-topic rants by various people in many threads these days will not be tolerated anymore going forward.
Since we haven't found a sensible way of de-escalating things with the members involved, we will (effective immediately) start moderating posts (including the shoutbox) of repeated offenders.
This means that every single post made by those people will be manually approved or removed by a moderator before anyone else will see it, in order to restore a healthy discussion culture. We will effectively start censoring the posts of those people, who are unable to adhere to some basic social standards around here. It will be at our sole discretion to decide what is acceptable and what isn't.
Everybody affected by this measure will be notified appropriately and we will decide about the duration of the penalty on a case by case basis, taking into consideration the severity and number of offenses.
to me this sounds like babysitting for 2 hours from the 24.
since when do we become a mental clinic to help them get along?
we are a cummunitie, if you cant be social and behave what are you even doing here? and the action itself is also useless i mean what with game chat or ts and so on? this is one big joke.
(18-03-2017, 12:31 AM)Mimus Wrote: Also, people who can not keep their cool after facing post-moderation will be kicked out.
We recon this is a drastic step, but as mentioned earlier all attempts at having the people involved calm down have failed and we don't see why we would allow a small group of people to disrupt the generally good atmosphere for everybody else.
the MST
how manny times is this sayd already? if you dont behave we kick you out lol ye right if it is 1 guy sure now it are a few and suddenly we have to become a clinic. you even sayd you failed with calming them down A FEW TIMES..... than what are they even doing here? and even the worse thing, sky is telling them they are doing a good job like an hour ago. yeah the way to go man gj gg wp. also since when can a supreme get bullied away without any punishent for its members who did?
so nexttime it might just happen that i had anough and cant keep my mouth shut, and you might make me look like the badguy aslong as you realise that you created it cause you failed to take proper action.
ps: nothing in this post is ment to harm any1 i just try to show you what i think.
RE: Post Moderation - Haures - 18-03-2017
very good idea
RE: Post Moderation - Impact - 18-03-2017
great idea
RE: Post Moderation - Sky - 18-03-2017
(18-03-2017, 01:42 AM)The Master Wrote: its about time however i do not call this taking action.
to me this sounds like babysitting for 2 hours from the 24.
since when do we become a mental clinic to help them get along?
we are a cummunitie, if you cant be social and behave what are you even doing here? and the action itself is also useless i mean what with game chat or ts and so on? this is one big joke.
how manny times is this sayd already? if you dont behave we kick you out lol ye right if it is 1 guy sure now it are a few and suddenly we have to become a clinic. you even sayd you failed with calming them down A FEW TIMES..... than what are they even doing here? and even the worse thing, sky is telling them they are doing a good job like an hour ago. yeah the way to go man gj gg wp. also since when can a supreme get bullied away without any punishent for its members who did?
so nexttime it might just happen that i had anough and cant keep my mouth shut, and you might make me look like the badguy aslong as you realise that you created it cause you failed to take proper action.
ps: nothing in this post is ment to harm any1 i just try to show you what i think.
First of all I'd appreciate it if you were more careful with your words, you're free to discuss this of course but speaking about a mental clinic and implying some people here are mentally challenged is quite insultive.
I don't know what you mean by babysitting 2 hours from the 24, perhaps you thought we would check the forum posts and remove them after they have been posted, but that's not it. With this system as soon as someone will post or shout something we deem unappropriate, for a set period of time, all their next posts will be automatically placed in moderation queue, and won't be visible until reviewed by a moderator.
What we are trying to implement is a way to prevent people to get chain-triggered, creating a lot of drama like usually, just like you say in your last paragraph. People who get their posts moderated won't be able to throw their sarcasm & insults, which will make nobody look like the bad guy except the ones who try to start drama or spread it.
Moreover what you fail to understand is that there are TWO parties fighting each other constantly. Not just one, but two, consistantly throwing shit at each other and not missing any occasion to slip in sarcastic comments. You might not realise it but this implies that you can't simply punish one side while ignoring the other one. It's not always the same side that starts throwing shit at the other one either. Please understand that when so many people are involved it's not realistically possible to kick all of them out.
On a side note I have to mention it's funny how quick and how easily things are taken out of their context. The fact I said the PsA team was doing a good job has nothing to do with what you are saying, you make it sound like I said someone was doing a good job at ruining the clan atmosfere, which I obviously never said.
RE: Post Moderation - Mimus - 18-03-2017
You are right master, we are a community.
And that is exactly why we did not yet take any more severe action like kicking or banning people. If we would have done that in the past when there were fights like that between people, we would have been an empty clan long ago.
But we are still here, and still being big. We have been around for so long that people who are in this clan stay here for, literally, years. They grow up, they change, they mature, and of course there are times when they fight, get raw, have discussions and different opinions, and sometimes are just plain mean.
As a community we belong together, and stay together.
People who fight now can be friends in the future, or at least no enemies anymore.
People are mean now, but that does not mean they can not change, does it?
We are known as a clan of second chances, and that does not only refer to ingame cheats.
We do not want to plainly remove people from our community because they are causing trouble. We want to solve that trouble, so that in the end we can, as cheesy as it may sound, be friends again, or on good terms with each other.
So no, we do not just ban everyone who causes trouble. We give them the chance to mature, to see how little good they do to themselves and others with their actions. We want them to think twice about what they post and if what they are about to say is appropriate or could seriously hurt others. We want to get people out of that "Im gonna say thisandthat now because it sounds so cool and mean and my friends will laugh and like me for saying such things and also i hate the person i say it to anyways" into rethinking their actions and words, to see how what might give them an instant, but short feeling of superiority is bad for them in the long run - it makes them look like cruel, mean, cold-hearted people who do not give a darn about other people. It makes them look like exactly the kind of people you absolutely do not want to be real friends with. And I guess nobody wants to feel like that.
And yes, we do not yet have a final solution for ingame chat, or teamspeak, except for taking action when we get to see proof from people, like screenshots. We also really hope it will not be needed to find a punishment for that aswell.
The moderation of posts is only to an extent ment to be a punishment and to free us from having to see such mean comments.
It is to a big part our last way to try to make people see how much harm they can cause with "just words".
I want you all to understand that we only want the best for you. I am not kidding if I say TWC is my family. And I do not just mean TWC in general, or a few people in TWC - I mean all of you. I care deeply for every single person, and I hate to see so much cruelty and animosities between all of you.
The damage your words do is more than just a short-lived anger from the person you shoot them at. People get worn out, they are annoyed, fed up, hurt, they start thinking "is this the clan i want to be in? is this still TWC?"
And I got an answer. Its not. Its not the clan we used to be, and its certainly not the clan we want to be. You all joined our family because of how it was the moment you decided to apply. You liked it. You made friends. You spent so much time on our servers and forum and teamspeak. Why throw that all away and turn it into some twisted, hateful grouping?
Its not worth it. We can do better than that, because we ARE better than that. We are better than what people think of us sometimes, and we can overcome the urge to slash in every direction hurting people we feel deserve it. Because they dont. Nobody deserves to get insulted the way it happens atm.
So please, understand that we do not have any more alternatives. WE can not solve this problem. We can just try to help. But YOU, all of you, can do something about it.
RE: Post Moderation - The Master - 18-03-2017
sky what i am trying to tell with babysitting 2 of the 24 hours is, because the 2 hours will be the forum posts and the remaining 22 hours is for the other chats.
its also not 2 partys fighting anymore its 1 party fighting against every1 else. ofc you can call this a party but i would call it a clan/comunnity
and the party that does fight is like 80% of them members for less than a year.
the other side, so the clan community (party) are like 80% of the members members for years!
and i am honestly really glad to see that a server like bg became this active again, but tbh i think the shit we got from it is worse.
the ha,s would have loved it to recruit zombie back in and that basicly says enough i think.
on a side note well alot of shit does happen with psa meetings and also with alot of people from the psa so its basicly still the same, so i still dont really understand that part.
mimus
i do understand your cup of tea and flower and family story and i tottaly get you i also would love to see it that way.
but basicly you only replied to why you wont kick them out.
i do understand people have bad days or a fight i mean we are all people, but comon what is happening now is insane and worse ever before.
i do understand you only see 10% of everything.
and ofc second changes should be given thats fine for me, but how about 10?20?30? changes?
sometime,s it can also bring a cummunity down from the inside and i can tell you this is wat is happening now
look at this threath all the trolls tottaly agree with this idea, i think this says enough already.
also this post is not to hurt or insult any1.