~ General Discussion ~ (archived by Shockwave)

[SpeeD]

Vietnam aka etnam: There are 4 servers out there that are running etnam and none of them is active with our Vietnam server being the most active one of those ( while it really is inactive.)

Panzerwar: There are 4 Panzerwar servers out there whose activity is is at an equal level to the TWC one.

Beginners: There is a decent amount of active nitmod servers out there, so Beginners potentially can be one of them since people are relatively interested in that.

Headshot: Our Headshot server has risen in popularity recently due to the fact that there were some people actively spending time on it which shows that HS got the potential to be active.

Sniper: Same as PW and Nam, barely any servers there and the few ones there are, are really inactive.

Imo that leaves us with HS and BG as the servers that got a potential due to the fact that there are players playing the mod/setting while Sniper, PW and NAM face the same problem that there are no people interested in either the mod or the specific setting (Panzer only/Sniper only).

And whenever i visited the BG and HS meetings i had the feeling there were people there that played with us and were dedicated to make the server active. (HS: Coffee, Hani, headhunter, some people from ND etc., BG: Yourdog, Shockwave, Master etc) unlike Sniper or Nam.

ND is already active as it is and at TJ the meetings are rather worse than they are helpful.

And with the facts from the tracking sites, i really cant understand how Nam or PW would be any more potential to be active than Sniper. Maybe you cant see that because you are a part of PW yourself.

[Cross]

I want HS to be active, but it looked the same when Hani became supreme. It looked great, people transfered, people played there and one day... it simply disappeared.

I worry this will happen again. :/

[SpeeD]

It is rising in popularity right now, if we support them NOW it will work, if we are too late, well as you said.

[Sn4cky]

Let me give my two cents here now that everyone is being so smart about everything.

PsA has been running under my supervision for a year with ABSOLUTELY no support for more than half a year. We've pulled ourselves together every day to play the same boring games with the few people who joined us. It DOES NOT work this way or any other way. You need to accept that ET is a 13 years old game with lack of support and an ever-decreasing community. To make servers active despite these facts is not in our power no matter what we do. If people would want to play on those servers they would have done that and we wouldn't have a problem.

Speed's idea is good, so is everyone else's, I don't want anyone to feel stupid, you all have nice ideas and plans but when it comes to execution it all fails. When Speed said we should find the cause of the problem he said something that was obvious to everyone. The REAL cause of the problem we are facing is the lack of people interested in playing on those servers and I highly doubt a small team of a few people is going to be able to fix that. Bring out your best guns and fire away, no matter how you plan your road trip for summer if your car has an empty fuel tank.

You want a weekly schedule with hopeless servers excluded? Fine. We'll retry that and see what we can do.

If it doesn't work out I am going to resign from my position in PsA and have someone else take a shot with it.

PS: Speed if I were you I'd pump the brakes and listen to people who know what they talk about.

[Poseidon]

Hey Snacky
I know that the interest in ET is decreasing with every year but there are several dozen people who will never actually delete this game, as long as they are part of the great TWC community, and hundreds of other players from different clans who are still pretty active in game. Maybe you are not really interested anymore in putting so much effort in this game and especially in PsA because you don't see the point in doing so but it is not the right way to let us wait for a new PsA project for two months. The agony of this project was after the splitting in two groups, for whatever reasons and I really miss the times when we were all sitting in one TS channel as one whole community, despite some smaller issues.

Since that, many people left TWC, even more joined us, so let's give it a new try in the whole clan.

[Sn4cky]

I respect your opinion as it is, however, the people who will never delete this game won't necessary play it ever again for a long enough time to be building something on. What you all don't seem to get is players aren't that loyal anymore, it was easier 13 years ago when games were rare, we didn't get hundreds of new games each year, we had a select few and everyone played what they liked the most. With the new games coming out every year people are divided, they have a bigger choice and they won't spend as much time on one game as before. You can see we get new people who disappear after a few months, it's not because they can't be trusted, they just have other interests too and when you try forcing them to play this game more often than they feel good about it won't end well. You know, it is like a fart, if you have to force it, it's probably crap.

Do you think there was a need for such a thing as PsA back in the day? Servers populated themselves, the problem isn't with the servers, it's with the diversity of players, people mostly look for the good old jaymod frag experience nowadays because these people are old school players not bothering to go out and try something new, they want what they liked for 10 years and if they want something new, they have tons of games releasing each year.

We are giving it another try as you all wanted, I have no problem with that. I just want you all to understand what we are really dealing with.

[Poseidon]

We do seem to get the problem you mean, and you are completely right. But in my opinion this project is not only for the servers or the guests. It should be for us, for the people who like to play together. I became a PsA member because of you guys, and after that my interest in other servers aside Panzerwar came back. Back then when we had around 6 people who were there everyday for at least one hour it was more interesting for others to join the fun.
And yes, servers with no popularity (for now only Sniper) should be attended only every second week. The server to focus on for now is obviously Headshot with more than one meeting per week
PsA should also not be scheduled every day - facing the problem you already mentioned several times, Snacky, we should pick 4-5 days per week and that should be enough to keep this project running.

[Coffee]

So,

Where are we? Half of us doesn't seem to see a future in PsA. It wiill never work out like it is suppose to, I agree. Being part of PsA means a lot of work, effort and dedication. The fact that we need such a team speaks for itself. Now that some in our team seem to be tired of trying, I have no idea why we would set it up again in this form.

These discussions had me tired of trying and Snacky you made it seem quite impossible and making me feel like a fool for still trying with the HS server and PsA. Like we are stuck in the past with our heads in the sand. Of course I realise there are different games to play these days, im not ignorant to that... I just don't care about other games that much. im probably not a true 'gamer', I barely have time for one game. Let alone be good at it

We don't need full servers and structural changes in our other servers. Look at BG, we had great fun with about 15 peeps (also on TS) at a one-bullit test event and we still talk about it. This might seem ridiculous to the amount of people playing years ago but it was spontanious and it was fun as hell.

I don't wanna go back to 30mins meetings and barely any talking. Its up to us when we're in the servers. Better face it, do it and enjoy it for a 100% or not do it at all. If we're back to that, I'm out. I get that work, friends and family are priorities. Life is. But the time spend for PsA has to be fair, like you really wanna spend time with us. Else its doomed to fail.

My 'cents' above. Probably not as deep as you guys stating stuff, but that's not what we need. I know its a tough start. Id say make good use of the people that have the energy still to do something with PsA. Go 100% for it or not at all... I hope you guys do realise that I seriously miss having you all around and I hope you havent lost your interest in us.

[Cross]

Coffee, do not worry about us not giving it all, when we will reopen it, we will give it all we can to make it work, like we always did.

Sorry for being sceptical about it, but Imma, Snacky and me tried this thing for a REALLY long time already, and in the end, it was always us + 2/3 max people with us, the same people all the time. We are simply tired of it and I think you can get that.

I will give my 100% into PsA, like I always had (just check my activity check, lolz xD) but I fear I will be mad at other members for not caring, again.

[Cross]

Speed and Coffee are co-leaders.

You cant refuse. :P