Vacancy system proposition (archived by $4m4el)

[Vegehan]

First off all this is just a proposition.
Maybe this will work, maybe it won't.
But I'm 100% sure this is at least needed for the levels 8+.
Due to the many complaints we had in the past time about our members we have to do something about it, That's why this proposition is made.

Also it might be a good idea to make a default Private Message for every level. if someone gets promoted to level 5, 6 or 7 he will receive a PM including all the info about the commands and our expactations.
Offcourse they are always free to ask for more information.

In this case we did gave the promoted member the information he needs. If he isn't acting like a member/admin should than we can have a chat with him, because they were informed about our expextations.

I agree with this ^ 100%

[Clysma]

Sorry but you play for fun or for admin lvl I dont understand?

It wouldn't be any fun without admins.

[iTim]

I think it's worth to give this system a try, and see how it works out.
BUT please do this for the High Admin levels (8,9,10).

And Now we're at it, you currently have room for 8 High Admins in total:
1 Leader slot
1 Co-Leader slot
6 Recruiter slots

If I can suggest to change the amount of High Admins for a server as big as yours.
Having to deal with a lot of rulebreakers in ND, I'd suggest to find 2 people worth to be a Leader, and around 3 co-leaders.
Only one Leader and one Co-leader will always have a lack of activity of both of them. Splitting the job in multiple segments makes it easier for the whole HA picture.
This has been said more times in the clan, esspecially when we implented this Adminsystem.
We were told to have around 4 Recruiters 2 co-Leaders and 1 Leader for the small servers, I don't see why a big server as ND shouldn't have a big HA-team to help the Supremes out.

But this is just my opinion, you're allowed to disagree but I would really like to know how you feel about it.
Thanks!

[TechN9NE]

[$4m4el]

After a short absence, I’m back. When I read the whole topic I couldn’t understand why some the people wanted to introduce the vacancy system for 8+ levels.

At the beginning I wanted to introduce the system for 5-8 levels because I think that after going through each level people would grow mature and poses knowledge needed to become a high admin. As for 9-10 levels, such levels should be assigned by supremes only because they know best who is the best for the job. I talked about Mimus privately about this matter, but she thinks that all the choices should be transparent.

Besides all that, I still intend to introduce this system with the beginning of the next week. We will give it a try for some time and if it won’t work, then we will come back to the old(present) system.

To all those players who don’t like the new system, please give me some specific reasons why is it bad. There are a lot of people complaining about it but none of the comments are reasonable. Justify your opinions and only then will we be able to discuss it.

The reason why I want to implement this system is that I think that 5-8 levels are the ones who can abuse the commands. This is simply because they get some power, but they don’t know the rules. The other thing is that some of them simply don’t want to do the admin’s job, the thing that I’ve been talking about on and on.

About rapid promotions, I have no objections about this, but the ones who are gaining levels straight away should be doing what is required of them, meaning do the admin’s job.

[Tomahawk]

like sam said, give it a try, its not like we are already using it for some time and it aint working, its just a proposition.
if it goes well we will keep it, if not then we will learn from the mistakes and go back to the old promotion system.

[Clysma]

To all those players who don’t like the new system, please give me some specific reasons why is it bad. There are a lot of people complaining about it but none of the comments are reasonable. Justify your opinions and only then will we be able to discuss it.

- Lower than level 8 doesn't have that abusive commands = No need to make it
- It is our job to see who is capable of being level 8 or higher = No need to make it. Level 8 and onwards is good to make vacancy, since then you have more powerful commands.
- The system might confuse some new members.

[$4m4el]

So u think that !kick !splat !mute is no abusive comands? and tell me do u remember whole AOC case? all lower members was devoid of these command cause they been abused. Also check on forum in complain section or in archive, in last time they concerned members of low levels and their abuses or non reaction with rulebreakers

[Clysma]

So u think that !kick !splat !mute is no abusive comands? and tell me do u remember whole AOC case? all lower members was devoid of these command cause they been abused. Also check on forum in complain section or in archive, in last time they concerned members of low levels and their abuses or non reaction with rulebreakers

I wouldn't take !mute as that abusive command. Kick and splat sure are and I didn't remember you get those under level 8. Was it some day back that only above recruiter could get those, or do I just remember wrong. If not, then I apologize for that.

But still I would say none of people in ND would use kick or splat just to do straight abuse. There has been abusing problems since I first joined here and it hasn't changed. When I browse the forums, I mainly see complaints about how some of admins doesn't give a damn ( http://board.twcclan.org/thread-5450.html ) and this could be easily solved by simply demoting the admins who didn't give a damn. Not about "abusing commands"

I see lots complaints about unbalanced teams, which really pisses me off, since there usually are some cases when unbalanced teams are more stable than balanced. If there is 6 vs 9 people automatically start shouting in chat "even teams", without even looking at the current situation.

I have seen lots of complaints about swearing and foul language, what has nothing to do with commands.

I have seen lots of complaints about spawn areas, ( for example: http://board.twcclan.org/thread-5509.html ) which we could prevent easily by telling members to check areas and rules overall more often, it's not always about commands. They don't even know they are abusing commands, because they don't know the rules. This is the wrong approach to try to fix the problem, when it's not even about members abusing, but that they don't know they are abusing.

I browsed the archive forum a bit, but couldn't find any that serious.

I remember AoC and I remember it was a failure. Members didn't know each servers rules, which made the system collapse, if I recall right. Correct me if I'm wrong. Why AoC failed? I see it like other members from other servers, didn't know the rules of that server which they got called = so they "abused" (read: didn't know the "right" punishment system = rules.) commands.

This here, is a different case. When you were AoC you needed to know every servers' rules and methods, but when you are only member of one server you only need to know its rules. In my opinion, AoC and this can't be compared, since they are two entirely different cases. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, it was a long time ago and I might not remember it right.

Would this all be easier if you just demoted everyone who "abused" commands? No need to change the system this radically when you could do it more easier.

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