About heavy Spawnkilling on fuel dump. (archived by Chris)

[Stef4n]

Love ,love love , no rule for love....

[Mimus]

I doubt that things wouldve been different if she wouldve been a man with friends who did not understand/agree to the details of heavy spawnkilling

I wont get into this now, but lets not continue this -boobs - discussion, its stupid :P

Its more the friends than the boobs effect, if its anything

[Nirv]

I personally think that camping in spawn and complaining about sk/heavy sk is ridiculous.
(or going around then returning and staying in spawn areas)

But you guys might have a different opinion regarding this (which i respect !)

This is a complicated case, let's imagine if you are in allies and if shoot a panzer through the windows, you might kill the axis's camper there but you might also kill another player who just spawned and ran across the window at the same time.
And this unlucky guy is allowed to complaint since he just spawnned / lost his invicibility shield / died...

Mhhh..

What i would suggest :

If you are camping in your spawn and if 10 seconds passed (or if you spawn every 12 seconds then the number is 12...) it shouldn't be considered as SK/Heavy SK
Especially if the guy who's camping there is killing other players, then the oppenents should be allowed to strike back...
(However it's a bit difficult to set up something like this...)

Then again shooting a panzer there might kill other (unlucky) players who just spawned... so either you make sure you don't shoot a panzer when the next people from the next spawn are here, or either take your Thompson/Mp40 you go there and you rape the camper's butt, which is I think the safest way to get rid of the guy without causing troubles

Ah well ... it's hard to find a workaround heh ... ^^

[Antho]

@Nirv: Who's gonna stay in spectator all map counting the amount of time passed everytime someone spawns? I'm not :P

Spawnkilling is just a quite controversial topic and it's always hard to judge cases of it. Often people are just screaming SK for the sake of screaming it. It's a good thing that this was posted on the forum but there's no need to start a witchhunt on anyone. Everyone is equal here and nobody should act like they are more equal than others. Sky is throwing a little wood on the fire, so why not lower the pitchforks and stop paying attention to him?

If you're shooting at people from your own spawn, then surely you are going to deal with forms of SK. If you're gonna camp in a corner all game long killing multiple people from behind they surely will be increasingly more wary of the area you camp and they'll try to kill you just for the sake of killing the camper. The amount of people trying to kill you tends to increase based on the amount of time spent in your corner.
Noone can perfectly control the feelings of wanting revenge, what goes around comes around. That's how our brain works. Saying it simply counts as spawnkilling is too easy, try explaining it to a guest that's driven by feelings of revenge. You probably won't manage without making someone upset, that's why this situation is so peculiar.

A possible solution? There's no easy solution. There is a certain way of looking at things though. That way is a relaxed way, there's no need to instantly start screaming someone is spawnkilling. Yet you should enforce the rules, but in a calm way aswell. You have to think rationally; "What makes this person spawnkill me?" "Did he have a reason to do so?" "How does this case compare to the standard situations?" "Is there a way of preventing him doing it without the offender getting upset?" Both admins and members should have a thought process like this.
You'll possibly reduce the amount of hate generated on the server by acting the way I described, while ensuring the guests are playing in a bit of a chilled environment.
Disclaimer: Being too chilled isn't good aswell, being too strict is even worse. Find a way of behaviour that suits you best, preferably somewhere in the middle, but don't forget you're playing this game for fun.

e: formatting

[Storch]

I'm with Antho in this case. I always say, we should never plainly follow the rules like brainless robots. We should always consider why the rule exists and if it is really necessary to give a punishment instantly in case the rule is broken. So if one panzer is flying in the spawn area once, simply to get rid off the annoying panzer dude in the opposite team, who's going for a wicked sick, then we should not immediately go mad.

In this case it's way too much though. If the heavy spawnkilling lasts 15 minutes and even continues when the victim tells you to stop, it can't be tolerated in any case.
Someone wrote it here before, there are many other ways to kill players in the opposite team's spawn area apart of using heavy weapons. You can for example try to sneak in through a back entrance, or try to get closer to them as a covert ops with an enemies suit, and then simply use MP40, Thompson, Sten or even knife.

And I noticed, too, that this was not the first time aGirl broke the rules and later showing that she thinks it's funny or doesn't even care. I wonder if she will even read this topic, would be nice if someone shows it to her or explains her the problem in another way.

About Chris, it's nice that you always want to treat our women and girls gently and kind, but you should never loose your objective point of view. Real friends appreciate criticism and advice But okay, you apologized so let's hope something like this won't happen again.

And Sky, I can imagine how you feel, I felt like this too once, but you should not spit more oil in the fire with those kind of posts. It doesn't really help anyone. I know you feel treated unfair and everything, but the way you act here will not better your situation at all, rather it leads to the opposite. But that's a different topic.

Regards,
Storch

[Kokok]

so funny lol
15 mins of rulebreak and i get 7 days ban
she broke rules for over 15 mins too and high admins even support her xD
is that the so-called boobs-effect? interresting

you even didn't rule breaked

[Nirv]

@Nirv: Who's gonna stay in spectator all map counting the amount of time passed everytime someone spawns? I'm not :P

I didn't mean it in that way ^^ That's indeed impossible

I was thinking it's most likely the player itself who will have to use his common sence to know that he cannot complaint when he's staying for a certain amount of time in the spawn and getting killed in that area.

To be honest when i stay near spawn areas and when i shoot at someone (e.g : a soldier), i expect the guy to try to kill me back, and If i got killed (by his panzer's shot) I wouldn't really consider my death as spawnkill (since i camped there for a long time and stuff).

However if he shoots a panzer there and kill my team mates who just respawned then yeah it's definitely heavy SK.

As you and some others pointed it out, it really depents of the situation and I agree ... Sometimes it may be hard to judge ^^

However I like your princip of : "analyse and adapt yourself to the current situation, do the right thing and of course avoid overreacting", it sounds good to me .

Some people might see this whole lot in a different way though.

[Andre]

Here noone overreacted, indeed i posted it in no dowload area becouse it was meant bout bout removing sk area over gate of fuel dump. Still i see here few posts that doesnt make sense and show that they didnt havent read my post.

We Axis just got heavy spawnkilled for 15 mins , regardless of wichever reason. I asked quietly to stop it, but i let it go.

And i knew that would pop up some dumbass saying :" oh you shouldnt complain bout sk etc etc".


Indeed it wasnt a complain, if you would had the patience to read my post until the end.


Blah camping blah blah camping. Staying around main gate of fuel dump killing engi is called defense.

And mostly i dont care if someone get annoyed by me killing him constantly, get some sort of aim for kill me or switch person, there is NO need to rulebreaks for killing someone.

And once again, before posting replies that shows that u didnt read all posts that shows that ur dumb, well, read them once again. Till the end.


And oh, bout SKY, i asked and i got him unbanned as legit as it. Deal with it

[Kenny]

I personally think that camping in spawn and complaining about sk/heavy sk is ridiculous.
(or going around then returning and staying in spawn areas)

If you are camping in your spawn and if 10 seconds passed (or if you spawn every 12 seconds then the number is 12...) it shouldn't be considered as SK/Heavy SK
Especially if the guy who's camping there is killing other players, then the oppenents should be allowed to strike back...
(However it's a bit difficult to set up something like this...)

Nirv there is no rule for camping so no matter what it would have been counted as heavy spawn kill plus light weapons could have been used to kill him.

[Benji]

Well I personally think, if you're really just camping there, it's no heavy sk. But if you like walk out of spawn and then shoot or get killed, it's somethong else. Imo , if you're camping in Sk area, you musn't complain about heavy Sk.. You just ask for it. Nothing personal Andre :P

joria

I agree with Joris, it's entirely even that she's shooting u if u are shooting her but staying on spawn.

Or maybe make a rule: No shooting with heavy weapons from spawn.

I personally think it's bullshit that you can shoot from there all day with panzer, but she can't shoot back at you. Take this into mind.

What if you shot first?

IMO, if you shoot first, it's no longer sk.

Or fix the SK areas, either works.

Sure ! Maybe u can make rules : "Not allowed to shoot by spawn" something like that.

It's an other thing if she, at first shot first with panzer, and secondly tag "-TWC|" before her name, sure it's bad...