Can someone explain me... (archived by John)

[MayheM]

Andre you had a right to your opinion in this thread. I think Bollie was talkin about the other conflicts you were involved with and how you all seem to have a vendetta against dream.

He and the rest of us just want you ALL to know that we are here to handle such situations. That's what we do. So negative comments form members are pointless. Most of the accusations are unfounded without screenshots anyway.

The golden rule that my Mom taught me ohhhh sooooo many years ago was "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

And the forum rule is that if it doesn't contribute to the threads topic then it is to be deleted.

All we want is for everyone to get along. You members mean a lot to us and we hate to see you fighting and being mean to each other.

'Can't we all just get a long?' Dunno who actually said it, but it's one of the greatest questions ever.

[Andre]

Andre you had a right to your opinion in this thread. I think Bollie was talkin about the other conflicts you were involved with and how you all seem to have a vendetta against dream.

He and the rest of us just want you ALL to know that we are here to handle such situations. That's what we do. So negative comments form members are pointless. Most of the accusations are unfounded without screenshots anyway.

The golden rule that my Mom taught me ohhhh sooooo many years ago was "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

And the forum rule is that if it doesn't contribute to the threads topic then it is to be deleted.

All we want is for everyone to get along. You members mean a lot to us and we hate to see you fighting and being mean to each other.

'Can't we all just get a long?' Dunno who actually said it, but it's one of the greatest questions ever.

if i post something , i have a reason to do it, no matter what other think

[Destroy666]

Destroy you had every right to post your concerns about this, but as you see it only started more fighting -_-

Your main question could have been answered

That's true, but I posted it for several reasons:
- as you can see eyd clan/team/whatever has bad reputation in ND, one of their members is banned for aimbot, other are constant rulebreakers. So it doesn't look good if there is lvl 80 guy with eyd tags in ND... Even if John allowed it.
- there was no clear rule about joining teams like that. As you state many times, we are fun clan, so why would we allow members to join some pointless rating teams? If you don't know what rating is - that're some useless numbers counted by gained xp on trackbase. Additionaly, they need to use same name on every server to gain rating, so it's impossible to play with 'rating team' name and clan name with current rule, unless you go to other servers ofc. Which especially a server supreme should avoid.
- and another reason which I don't really want to tell

And Ligustah, guests can't see this base.

[Andre]

Destroy you had every right to post your concerns about this, but as you see it only started more fighting -_-

Your main question could have been answered

That's true, but I posted it for several reasons:
- as you can see eyd clan/team/whatever has bad reputation in ND, one of their members is banned for aimbot, other are constant rulebreakers. So it doesn't look good if there is lvl 80 guy with eyd tags in ND... Even if John allowed it.
- there was no clear rule about joining teams like that. As you state many times, we are fun clan, so why would we allow members to join some pointless rating teams? If you don't know what rating is - that're some useless numbers counted by gained xp on trackbase. Additionaly, they need to use same name on every server to gain rating, so it's impossible to play with 'rating team' name and clan name with current rule, unless you go to other servers ofc. Which especially a server supreme should avoid.
- and another reason which I don't really want to tell

And Ligustah, guests can't see this base.

completely agree

[MayheM]

That's true, but I posted it for several reasons:
- as you can see eyd clan/team/whatever has bad reputation in ND, one of their members is banned for aimbot, other are constant rulebreakers. So it doesn't look good if there is lvl 80 guy with eyd tags in ND... Even if John allowed it.
- there was no clear rule about joining teams like that. As you state many times, we are fun clan, so why would we allow members to join some pointless rating teams? If you don't know what rating is - that're some useless numbers counted by gained xp on trackbase. Additionaly, they need to use same name on every server to gain rating, so it's impossible to play with 'rating team' name and clan name with current rule, unless you go to other servers ofc. Which especially a server supreme should avoid.
- and another reason which I don't really want to tell

And Ligustah, guests can't see this base.

You admit it is true that you could have asked John discretely rather than make the original post, yet you go and give reasons why you posted it. :P

Any way I will be happy to reply to them.

To me teams are silly if there is no base for them. I don't see a need for such things, but there are members who like to play etpro scrims and tj teams. So we allowed it. We can't go back and say "Well, you and you can join a team of friends, but woooah you there with the pink hair cannot"

I believe the other members of the team who behaved badly or cheated were dealt with, just as any other guest would have been, right?

I had no clue what this rating thing is, but the rule says that TWC tags must be worn at all times when a member is in a TWC server. Yes that would seem to make 'rating' silly for any TWC member here.

We have no rule saying that any member cannot play in other servers. We never will either. Even supremes are allowed to play anywhere they want to. Sure there is the threat of guid stealers and imposters using TWC tags and names to do harm to other servers to make it look like one of us did it, but that has always happened. There was a fake using Joints name in gdc a couple years back that we got blamed for. Nothing we can do to stop that.

Yes we are a fun clan, which is why we allow members to have other interests besides TWC. This is not old style gix and surely not a prison.

Since you have taken it this far man, I see no reason to hold back your last reason. I would like to help you with any other concerns you may have regarding this topic.

I will answer for Lig about who can or can't see this base. I'm sure you have noticed that the fighting goes on a lot in all topics here in forum, not just this one.

It's the fighting that has become a problem. You and I are having a question and answer session. We are talking civilized and expressing our feelings. I or we have no problem with that, unless we resort to calling each other names....which I know won't happen.

My point is, is that there are ways to speak your mind in a mature manner and this is a great example.

I hope I have answered your concerns except for the one you left out, to your satisfaction. I will be happy to help you with any further concerns.

[Dream]

Sorry but some TWC members made it that far.
Called eyd clan hackers, Whining, Crying.
Called us noobs.
I am sorry for the behaviour of Whoami, Alduin said sorry to him and he did too.
Highway didn´t do any wrong.
And about fluffy Even when he tried aimbot. He said it, and that is fair.
And that shows kind of maturity too.
Only the way of talking between players in game is really above the limit imo.
We srsly have to change some stuff >.>

[MayheM]

Dream, that is a pure example of what I am talking about. You already stated the same points earlier. No need to repeat them again.

The one thing about fluffy though is that being your friend, he should have already known that cheating wouldn't be allowed here. Also it doesn't take a lot of common sense to know it wouldn't be allowed even if you failed to tell him in advance.

Using the evil brother excuse and then admitting using it doesn't make him mature. It makes him look like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and is more sorry that he got caught than he is about using the bot. Standing up to what he did and dealing with the consequences would be the mature thing to do.

[Makez]

XD Mayhem that cookie jar thingy made me laugh! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Dream]

I know I repeat it, But how much I can repeat it nothing will change.
I just hope the weeping, whining and the bad behaviour will stop.

[Ligustah]

And Ligustah, guests can't see this base.

I'd like to add to what MayheM said about this.
At no point in my post I even mentioned guests. That's a completely different (yet serious) problem.

The problem I have with your post is that it caused a whole lot of discussion, which there was no need for, in my opinion.

Dream used his rating tags on the server because of a misunderstanding of the external team rule. We told him that he should use TWC tags on our servers at any time, and he understood.

Also, the reputation of a team or clan shouldn't have an influence on your perception of any individual member. Fluffy (or whatever his name was) used an aimbot and got banned. That's it. Would you want to guess how many TWC members got caught using cheats?

I hope you can understand my point on this one. I'm not a friend of solving these sorts of problems in the indiscreet way you chose.

-- Ligustah