Inappropriate behavior from staff member Raven on Discord (archived by _raven.:))

[moonstar]

Thank you for replying.

Let me clarify something first, as there seems to be a big misunderstanding. I do not care that Nuestra got banned, I do not even know him very well. As far as I know the people in this thread agree with the ban (just not the reason stated), but I do not speak for them. I merely disagree with the method that YOUR COMMUNITY's concerns were dealt with.

You say you wrote a post about becoming more active after summer vacation, that makes me conclude you want this community to thrive. I second that. Yet here we stand, a staff member is threatening the community with bans because of opinions and criticism. You think this inspires people to stay and chat? Power tripping does not make people feel particularly welcomed, you should know this.

Please stop reminding people of their status within TWC, I know I am but a mere guest to you, how do you intend for your community to gain members when you keep reminding them how low they are to you?

No offense, for somebody that says they are going to remain objective you are assuming a lot of things about me. I grew up playing ET, I played in TWC a lot back then. I would have loved to rekindle that passion and be active in TWC, but Raven has made me realize this is not a place I want to remain.

I have never joined any other TWC drama.

You can see this thread as "Yet another take on Drama" or you can see it as I intended: a person respecting your community and wanting to see it grow rather than shrink. And I do not think the behavior shown today by Raven has a place in that.

in my very honest opinion, you have left many questions unanswered, I am a little disappointed, is this truly the best you have to offer? Did you actually read the logs? Did you not see Raven being an absolute dick to people for no real reason at all?

[Cross]

I agree with Stik and Moon on Neustra, in fact, I find him so irritating that I would have banned him long time ago.
I have my own group on discord, if Raven did something like that as an admin on my server, I would ban him straight away, you know why? Because what he did makes people stay away from your server and rethink if they want to return to game ( actually talking about myself).

I dio not want an apology, a change in rules, Zone saying he will talk to him, no. I want Raven to acknowledge what he did and what he said was wrong. That is it.

And yeah, I did not come for drama, as people before me, @everyone is very bad and annoying.

I guess I will rethink my return to game or just on TWC, bcs I will never stop questioning authorities doing bad things, that is simply my nature I will not change.

Cross.

[Narko]

I pinged once and if that really ruined someones day, I'm sorry

on topic: This whole situation is stupid and embarassing, please stop... we're not 9 year olds.

Nage

[_raven.:)]

#closed due talk on discord

[Thrasher]

Remaining questions

I don't think all questions were answered. I believe what we want to know here is:
- Why are "guests and normal member base" not allowed to give their opinion on moderation decisions, if they believe they are wrongful? Especially bans?
- Do you think it's productive to not address the points of the people criticizing you, and just instead go "if you keep asking I will kick and ban you as well" mode on them?
- Why delete their message history? It could have been used as prove here, and are now harder to dig out from whatever logging chuckie has set up on the bot. (I'm pretty sure there is logging setup on it for logging deleted messages). If this was an accident then no problem, happens.
- Is it really an official TWC rule / guideline that guests and normal members are not allowed to question, or criticize staff decisions or moderation?

alright so i do wanna make a post on this thread and i think mystik's quote is a good way for me to start i do believe raven could of handled this better without even causing escalation and i spoke to him on VC. now i wanna put this point here first because its very important, ive told raven that what he did was controversial, i explained to him why it was wrong and he understands why it was wrong. he told me he even regrets it. i had to go make food and he didnt have time after so we eventually hung up. ive messaged him that he owes an apology.

Now to answer these questions with my (slightly improvised) conclusions.

- Why are "guests and normal member base" not allowed to give their opinion on moderation decisions, if they believe they are wrongful? Especially bans?

this is a fair question and honestly i believe that it should be totally allowed to talk about well pretty much anything here aslong as it isnt legit toxic. talking about the questional decisions we make and criticizing us well thats often beneficial information right? however what raven did was exert way too much control over the conversation by desperately telling people to stop talking about the nuestra ban right after it happened. mystik told raven that is a bad decision pretty quickly because of course, somebody getting banned? well thats always a hot topic especially after it happens and trying to force-cut off that conversation at its hottest point results in a frenzy as seen in the screenshots provided by mystik. like i said i spoke this to raven in the VC and he agreed that it was a bad way of handling the situation.

- Do you think it's productive to not address the points of the people criticizing you, and just instead go "if you keep asking I will kick and ban you as well" mode on them?

its not productive. trying to control a conversation as aggresively as raven was the wrong choice, things werent really 'too far' at all. needless to say conversations will go on and change/end naturally. trying to supress a conversation pre-maturely before everyone has made their point causes the reverse intended effect of blowing things up more and making it extra heated. this resulted in raven getting provoked and bans being thrown out. again, spoke with him, he understands.

- Why delete their message history? It could have been used as prove here, and are now harder to dig out from whatever logging chuckie has set up on the bot. (I'm pretty sure there is logging setup on it for logging deleted messages). If this was an accident then no problem, happens.

the discord server setting was on where when somebody gets banned from the server their messages within the last 24 hours are removed. this resulted in alot of the conversation being missing and spread out dis-organised in the staff logs.

- Is it really an official TWC rule / guideline that guests and normal members are not allowed to question, or criticize staff decisions or moderation?

like i said in the first paragraph, this is the internet and people can pretty much talk about whatever they want. you guys are mature enough to keep it reasonable.

either way, im only here because i wanna de-escalate the drama and give it a rational conclusion. everyone makes stupid mistakes from time to time, some mistakes kinda have to be learned the hard way.

EDIT: i spent so long making this post slowly and surely that the thread got closed in the meanwhile? damn