wh on nd (archived by NightFall)

[Cowboy]

To me there aren't really any weird moments that would make me a wh user. Tbh, I don't really have an interest to go through all the demos you've brought here. I can explain in a more specific manner if the demoteam wants me to. Although, I rely on more experienced players to prove your opinion wrong.

Most of the moments you're referring to, are in my opinion pretty easy to figure out by gamesense, then there are these lucky moments. Then there are moments that I yet haven't figured out why are they even mentioned in this topic as a proof of hacking...

[*G$D*GAL]

First of all, you should stop the argument and forget it for a while (until the end of Christmas AT LEAST). Today is a big day for everyone, because they are preparing to the Celebration and having fun. So please *G$D*GAL just calm down be happy and forget the problems. Then you can continue the arguing about the hacker I'm sure an admin will check the proofs and make a decision, but later.
I don't want fight against anybody just said something!
Have a nice day guys

Haupt.

well i agree with you i even would wait for another week with the post if i knew that the holyday is now.. in my case the holyday past about week ago so i wish you too happy holyday and everyone else too include cowboy ill just wait for answers about the moment i post after the holyday

To me there aren't really any weird moments that would make me a wh user. Tbh, I don't really have an interest to go through all the demos you've brought here. I can explain in a more specific manner if the demoteam wants me to. Although, I rely on more experienced players to prove your opinion wrong.

Most of the moments you're referring to, are in my opinion pretty easy to figure out by gamesense, then there are these lucky moments. Then there are moments that I yet haven't figured out why are they even mentioned in this topic as a proof of hacking...

cowboy ofc you dont see anything and you clean player i never saw any cheater that said right i cheated here and there so if you want to try to explain something try to start with that

https://we.tl/20mhmjJEQ7

you saw moltov you knew enemy around how did you know where to find him?
if you knew where to find him why you act like you dont see him make quick turn shot him and continiue normal player would look and search
and how did you know that player use deadplayer even without looking at him

[draken-jager]

https://we.tl/20mhmjJEQ7

you saw moltov you knew enemy around how did you know where to find him?
if you knew where to find him why you act like you dont see him make quick turn shot him and continiue normal player would look and search
and how did you know that player use deadplayer even without looking at him

You can't say that's 100% hack, GSD.

He knew there was an enemy around there because people were shooting towards that direction. In my eyes he reacted just fast to something laying at that corner and that's why he made the quick turn. Just a coincidence the enemy was playing dead and was like 1 hp.


I check the other demos today.

[Cowboy]

Well you know a player playing dead just lies completeley static, not moving whatsover.

However, I actually thought he was dead, ungibbed. That was one of the moments when u just unconsciously check and shoot a dead player as a somekind of reflex. He just happened to be so low in hp that he got killed by a single bullet.

How did I find him? Earlier in that map I heard some shooting behind my back when I was leaving the spawn so when I again respawned I went to seek them. That specific corner the eng was lying tho... I just went up and there and noticed I didn't check the plateu completely(in that exact same plateu I've been backraped by someone when I didn't check the plateu well enough) so just turned little more right and noticed a bit of black on my right side of the screen and made the reflex shoot.

That moment was lol'd moment when I noticed I actually killed him xD

Edit. Nvm checked the demo again
you can actually hear a firefight on the plateu when I spawned at the flag

Edit2. And you can actually see the eng lying down in the rightdown corner of the screen when I enter the plateu

[Valk]

Like I said GSD, these demo's don't show anything suspicious in my eyes, anyone with a bit of experience in this game can do that.

[Cowboy]

Yah, draken put my thoughts into better, more understandable words xD

GSD, I think you kinda have decided I am a cheater which makes it hard for you to stay objective. Im sure in those same demos, there are moments I should've been aware of if I really used wallhack.

[*G$D*GAL]

k so cowboy the only thing i can agree with you that im not objective cuz for me its 100% wh still theres no explanation for most of the thing i posted and also about the part with the playdead guy.. you claim that you saw it at "right side of the screen and made the reflex shoot" so first the humen eye cant see well from the corrner of the eye.. normal player look at the aim in the middle and move it if he see something in the corner.. and if you have reflex as you said you had most of the time the acc for shot like that is low..
as i siad ppl cant see well from the side of there eyes.. in your case you moved fast and made one shoot thast the different beatween reflax and a plan when you have reflex you wont leave the trigger until your reflax clam down.. that reflax you talk about is defence and what you should have is to shoot at him at least 5 bullets to realize he is already dead and you are not in danger more then that most of the shoot shouldnt be with high acc concider you saw him from the corner of the eye.. so first im not buying it...

more than that you just said that you shoot him cuz you wanted to gib him
my next question is how did you know he was ungibbed?

I actually thought he was dead, ungibbed.

i just now watched it again all you can see for less then a sec in the corner black thing that look like an enemy.. by that fast look you cant tell me if its an enemy body if its enemy ungibbed or if its enemy lying there all you can see is black thing that should make your reflax turn and shoot all your bullets at him cuz you cant tell if he is alive or not. thats a reflax!
what you did was planed and the fact you telling me you just wanted to gibb him telling me that you knew he was lying dead before you turned to shot him and thats impossible..

normal player maybe wouldnt even notice that black thing in the corner and if he would he would turn start to shot all around that thing until he hit him after a sec or 2 and then make sure he is dead.. by keep shooting him

but lets forgert about that moment that you just now proved you knew about the guy before you saw him
lets talk about that one
https://we.tl/RavU4Kw5rQ

drank i appreciate your reply and respact your opi my freind but cant agree with you about that moment but i wonder what will you say about how he spot that eng in part number 1 he was too far to hear him and i made it slow so you can see you cant hear anything when he turned around and start to follow him.. would someone explain me that? cowboy feal free to explain me why did you turned that moment and how?

[Hessu]

I don't know why you still think that he has wh 100% when everybody have explained the questionable parts of the demo perfectly. Sky explained those parts perfectly and so did cowboy himself so why are you still sayin that he has wh? Let's ofc wait what the demoteam has to say but they have proven him clean before and it will happen again.

btw he is clean

[Cowboy]

Gibbing in jaymod public so tryhard. Didn't say I wanted him gibbed. As it was already mentioned, you can see the player at the right side of the screen and shot him by reflex, nothing unhuman in that. It might be, not every player in ND could/would do that but it doesn't make it impossible to be performed without cheats.

[*G$D*GAL]

Gibbing in jaymod public so tryhard. Didn't say I wanted him gibbed. As it was already mentioned, you can see the player at the right side of the screen and shot him by reflex, nothing unhuman in that. It might be, not every player in ND could/would do that but it doesn't make it impossible to be performed without cheats.

it is unhuman to see that well from the corner of your eye and respond so fast and so accurate you might say its a lucky shoot but then why did you use only 1 bullet?

and this time try to think about it before answer.. cuz if you want to say again that you were trying to gib someone thats mean you knew there was a dead body over there before you turned around.. and thats not possible and reflex should look more stressful
and waist much more ammo then that and lets say all of that is coincidence.. normal player doesnt matter his skills or his xp in game should react to something like that by keep looking at the body for few sec realize what happened.. in your case you turned shot continued all that in less then a sec.. (from the moment you see the leg in the corner to the time he finish shoting and jumped away it took 0.65sec.. who can tell me thats normal??) thats not possible unless you planed it before you jumped there.. and the fact that he had 1 hp doesnt change the fact he still shot one shot even to gib someone you usually need to give 3-4 shoots if you dont get the head and he didnt.. more then that if cowboy try to gib like he said before he should realize wait a sec that player was alive.. and not continue like nothing happened.. and you wanted to gib him.. thats what you said.. so? why didnt you? you claim that you turned around in first place to gib him then you realize he was alive.. why didnt you gib him as you tryed at first place?? the reaction time also dosnt make any sense so if everyone want to say its normal at list stick to reality.. all of that doesnt make any sense

I don't know why you still think that he has wh 100% when everybody have explained the questionable parts of the demo perfectly. Sky explained those parts perfectly and so did cowboy himself so why are you still sayin that he has wh? Let's ofc wait what the demoteam has to say but they have proven him clean before and it will happen again.

btw he is clean

hessu after posting so many proofs about your clean guy i want more then just say he clean without checking it the demo you talking about that sky watched is one of 10 or more and its not that moment with the dead player.. its nice that ppl here trying to defend there friend and family but if you want to tell me that im wrong and its not 100% you should first proof at least half of my proofs as wrong.. so far there was 1 guy that really check that out and gave me logic explanation and it was half right..
sky said that if you use higher fov like 120 you can see many of the moment i post..
we know now his fov is 110 and i agreed with sky most of the part there is nothing to talk about but the one when he shot my head through the wall sky said its possible to see my head with higher fov.. so go ahead and check that moment before you said its clean cuz with 110 you cant see my head.. and to save you the trouble to go and check that demo with that fov you can see the video i posted part number 1 video walls shooting.. and its 100% no doubt pure wh

the second thing he was telling about my first demo is about the obv place he would check too and about that i also answer to him that in 3 map of the same map he never checked that place you can try and search where he is looking that place other then 2 times i were camping there.. sky busy and dont have time to asnwer about that so maybe you or other players that want to defend him can try to explain.. so telling me he is clean by checking 3 moment out of more then 20 its insulting.

but pls guys stop with that thing.. you cant protect wh only cuz he is your friend or family.. the next guy that want to prove me wrong.. pls go ahead you are more then welcome to reply.. im expecting from you to.. but if you do you should explain to me
why im wrong at all 1 of the moments i posted

you have it here number on the videos so you can tell me where i was wrong and why.. but if you just wanna say he is clean cuz you know it.. save your breath..

anyone welcome to reply and share his opi but keep it fair.. you have demos to judge him for wh or not

well i see no one want to reply. i guess ppl have no time or not convince yet so i saved you time and collect more proofs and took video of the moments he cheated all you need is to download the short videos.. all of them together just 9 min i did all the hard work for you

sky were right about the high fov so some of the part he could see but i know he didnt use 120 he used 110 so all the movies is with 110 fov btw thx sky for you opi

imgur.com/a/6eJzn

at 27:10 he is trying to enter to the room cuz i was there alone and he even aim to my head and shot 1 bullet trying to hit me only that you cant see it without wh so youll need to use /r_shownormals 1 and slow it down to see it.
after he realize his mistake he turned around fast and left the place

With a higher fov he can actually see you , no wh needed

so he couldnt see me with 110 fov i checked

23:20

makes sense to me to check that area and reaction time is fair

i agree with sky about that part it make sense to check that placed and many others. but most of us will check places and most of the time it will be empty maybe in a good day 50% from the obvious places will be empty but in his case he try that place only twice in 3 demos from that map 1.5h and those 2 times were the times i camped for him and he took the bite.. now its mean 2 things first he nailed 100% acc of knowing where enemy hide and the second thing that he barely check that place 2 times after so many times he passed and didnt check or enter that place without checking it.. if its so obv why didnt he try to check it more times why only when i camped there he checked it? and how come he didnt try to check to other corner behind the tree in that place? most of the player hiding there.. anyway just saying that is not good enough proof so ill show you how he act in some obv places
in the first video

https://we.tl/R5500b9OXL

at the first part you can see that he checked the placed twice when i camped there. but 20 sec earlier then his first check he got rid of the rifle dude and crawl inside without check anything..? so its that obv to check it when im there but it wasnt obv to check no one rape him 20 sec earlier?? and what do you know there wasnt enyone at that obv palce

part 2 the same thing.. he stop and walk slowly and again some will say its obv to check there.. i can agree but again it was the only time he did that there in 1.5h 3 different times even the 2 times when he go to that path he never stoped or walked like he did when i were camping without any noise

3 part same thing the only time he prapered at this spot in 3 times of hour and a half

and if you dont believe me there you go 3 different demos same maps try to find where he looking for those places you would look for
https://we.tl/vgCOAa2PV2

another video how he track the players on nd through the walls and if youll listen with headphones youll see he started to look at them or use nade at them before you can hear or see them (i remind you thats with fov that he use 110)

https://we.tl/RavU4Kw5rQ

in this video you can see him make mistake number 1 of wall hackers, shooting walls (i remind you thats with fov that he use 110)

https://we.tl/nWVA5Mr0HQ

sky if you see that, part number 1 he couldnt see me with his fov you maybe were right about even higher fov but not with what he've got.

and even if youll ignore all what i showed so far just explain one part how is it possible without wh

https://we.tl/20mhmjJEQ7

again all of those things with his fov all of the parts where he track players he couldnt know they were there dont believe me go ahead here is all the demos of him
dont take only my word
https://we.tl/Ynt6SpDxRI

im still waiting for high admins and demo team to respond
take few min to tell me why you allowed wall hackers at nd?