Regarding Vogel

[Ligustah]

Tobad all this drama about a guy hacking got Sky to leave..

Not true. Sky is the same as Vogel. Trust me, there is NO DOUBT about that, unfortunately..

Please stop it already. I addressed all your allegations in the past (despite you claiming otherwise) concerning Sky and you didn't manage to provide any proof for your claims. Repeating the same things over and over again doesn't make them any more correct, and neither does using caps. Just like I told you in our last exchange, I can understand that in your part of the world facts ceased to matter some time ago, but unless you provide actual evidence please refrain from making these accusations here.
Also, please respect our decision to deny you access to this forum. You may feel entitled to own an account on this forum, but you're not.

As for Vogel. I had a look at most of the demos and quite frankly I am not sure what to think about them. To me there are hints going both ways.
However, given that my game knowledge is rusty at best I trust the demo team on their judgment and removed Vogel from his supreme position of ND. It's up to the other admins to decide whether to ban him or not.

As we have always done, I'd still like to give Vogel a chance to challenge or admit to the charges and I would like to ask all people who provided input on this decision to also critically review further evidence provided by Vogel or anyone else, whether you think he's guilty or not.
Thanks.

-- Ligustah

PS: I'd also like to mention that it might be some time before anyone of us gets a chance to reply to these topics again, so this time maybe keep it civil, ok?
PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

[Snowman]

PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

Wat?
No one "bullied" him away, people waited 3 days for some kind of response from msts to the topic, ofc its quite frustrating to have here supreme who is using cheats, and this was confirmed by all demoteam except sky who is friend of him and ofc tries to defend him and ragequits then out of clan by his own decision like a kid from kindergarden.
That was very childish and dramatic outro from the clan from a former mst.

There is a lot proof of sky getting banned from bg and other et servers by autoban systems which Tankey stated in other thread doesnt give mistaken bans so one could say hes not that clean either. But ofc all proof has been "photoshopped" or retroactive

[optee]

PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

Wat?
No one "bullied" him away, people waited 3 days for some kind of response from msts to the topic, ofc its quite frustrating to have here supreme who is using cheats, and this was confirmed by all demoteam except sky who is friend of him and ofc tries to defend him and ragequits then out of clan by his own decision like a kid from kindergarden.
That was very childish and dramatic outro from the clan from a former mst.

There is a lot proof of sky getting banned from bg and other et servers by autoban systems which Tankey stated in other thread doesnt give mistaken bans so one could say hes not that clean either. But ofc all proof has been "photoshopped" or retroactive

Stop talking

[Snowman]

PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

Wat?
No one "bullied" him away, people waited 3 days for some kind of response from msts to the topic, ofc its quite frustrating to have here supreme who is using cheats, and this was confirmed by all demoteam except sky who is friend of him and ofc tries to defend him and ragequits then out of clan by his own decision like a kid from kindergarden.
That was very childish and dramatic outro from the clan from a former mst.

There is a lot proof of sky getting banned from bg and other et servers by autoban systems which Tankey stated in other thread doesnt give mistaken bans so one could say hes not that clean either. But ofc all proof has been "photoshopped" or retroactive

Stop talking

Im not actually talking, i wrote some text only

[Narko]

PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

Wat?
No one "bullied" him away, people waited 3 days for some kind of response from msts to the topic, ofc its quite frustrating to have here supreme who is using cheats, and this was confirmed by all demoteam except sky who is friend of him and ofc tries to defend him and ragequits then out of clan by his own decision like a kid from kindergarden.
That was very childish and dramatic outro from the clan from a former mst.

There is a lot proof of sky getting banned from bg and other et servers by autoban systems which Tankey stated in other thread doesnt give mistaken bans so one could say hes not that clean either. But ofc all proof has been "photoshopped" or retroactive

Stop talking

Im not actually talking, i wrote some text only

kappa

[Enigma]

The last 3 posts are just spam with no additional useful content. Good decision to remove Vogel since the proof to most experienced demoviewers was extremely obvious. And a good decision to admit your own game knowledge is too rusty to make an accurate decisions on that part. Opposite to what Sky made people believe the demoteam IS in fact useful.

[Tankey]

Tobad all this drama about a guy hacking got Sky to leave..

Not true. Sky is the same as Vogel. Trust me, there is NO DOUBT about that, unfortunately..

Please stop it already. I addressed all your allegations in the past (despite you claiming otherwise) concerning Sky and you didn't manage to provide any proof for your claims. Repeating the same things over and over again doesn't make them any more correct, and neither does using caps. Just like I told you in our last exchange, I can understand that in your part of the world facts ceased to matter some time ago, but unless you provide actual evidence please refrain from making these accusations here.
Also, please respect our decision to deny you access to this forum. You may feel entitled to own an account on this forum, but you're not.

As for Vogel. I had a look at most of the demos and quite frankly I am not sure what to think about them. To me there are hints going both ways.
However, given that my game knowledge is rusty at best I trust the demo team on their judgment and removed Vogel from his supreme position of ND. It's up to the other admins to decide whether to ban him or not.

As we have always done, I'd still like to give Vogel a chance to challenge or admit to the charges and I would like to ask all people who provided input on this decision to also critically review further evidence provided by Vogel or anyone else, whether you think he's guilty or not.
Thanks.

-- Ligustah

PS: I'd also like to mention that it might be some time before anyone of us gets a chance to reply to these topics again, so this time maybe keep it civil, ok?
PPS: You'll have to get used to more delays anyways, since you guys bullied Sky out of the clan

Dear Ligustah,

I have always looked up to you in how you are managing things around here. But this is not the Ligustah I know. From what I recall, you did not make hasty ungrounded decisions. Neither do you now, but can you actually understand this feels like a backstab to some of your trusted, entitled admins? Everyone understands you needed time for Easter, but this "solution" as you may call it is unfair and I did not expect it, not from you.

As seen in my other post, both Sky and Vogel have been reported by Nitmod for using cheats. Back then, it was then covered up as false positive. What the actual fuck? Sorry for my language, being away a long time has roughened my vocabulary, but what is this?! You of all people should know it is not possible for Nitmod AC to have false positives. Nitmod flags a suspecious cheater as either SUSPECIOUS or UNKNOWN. If a known cheat is loaded into ET its memory it's reported as WALLHACK or GAMEHACK, undeniable.

Seen the fact that this prove are available, have you either not seen it, denied its authenticity or simply ignored it because it happened to be your supreme(s)? I am barely around here, but even I have seen it.

Another thing which is rather remarkable is that you are eager for facts. Everything I said above is thus based on actual data. Hence you accuse some of your members for bullying away Sky. Just because Vogel is a cheater, and Sky apparently as well, makes it more likely for you that Sky has been bullied away rather than because he stood up for a cheater (who is now caught), who also happened to be his friend and thus it could be out of friendship to one another? Maybe he felt the heat and chose eggs for his money, even then you think it's bullying? I have nothing personal against these guys, I don't even know them, for all I care they are purple, but this is a sheer attack to everything that is justified. It really makes me doubt you know all facts and your "solution" is biased.

I really hope you reconsider this weird decision you made. If it were anyone other than your supreme you would have banned him or her based on your demoteam's decision. Supremes have privileges, which is nothing more than normal. But in this case it seems like cheaters have privileges around here as well, where's their level? Junior members look up to higher admins, thus from my point of view, they should be punished harder because they abused their trust.

Do with it what you want, these are just my few cents and I just replied because some people share the same opinion as me but are not capable to elaborate it like this, don't have the time, or simply gave up already for a justified solution.

Have yourself a good evening, all :-)

-- Tankey

[sarcasm]
PS. What happened to your Scumbuster module? I guess a lot of people would love to see it working, as from what I recall, doesn't do second changes and there is some scum crawling around in your servers even though it didn't detect cheats.
[/sarcasm]

[Sky]

Dear Ligustah,

I have always looked up to you in how you are managing things around here. But this is not the Ligustah I know. From what I recall, you did not make hasty ungrounded decisions. Neither do you now, but can you actually understand this feels like a backstab to some of your trusted, entitled admins? Everyone understands you needed time for Easter, but this "solution" as you may call it is unfair and I did not expect it, not from you.

As seen in my other post, both Sky and Vogel have been reported by Nitmod for using cheats. Back then, it was then covered up as false positive. What the actual fuck? Sorry for my language, being away a long time has roughened my vocabulary, but what is this?! You of all people should know it is not possible for Nitmod AC to have false positives. Nitmod flags a suspecious cheater as either SUSPECIOUS or UNKNOWN. If a known cheat is loaded into ET its memory it's reported as WALLHACK or GAMEHACK, undeniable.

Seen the fact that this prove are available, have you either not seen it, denied its authenticity or simply ignored it because it happened to be your supreme(s)? I am barely around here, but even I have seen it.

Another thing which is rather remarkable is that you are eager for facts. Everything I said above is thus based on actual data. Hence you accuse some of your members for bullying away Sky. Just because Vogel is a cheater, and Sky apparently as well, makes it more likely for you that Sky has been bullied away rather than because he stood up for a cheater (who is now caught), who also happened to be his friend and thus it could be out of friendship to one another? Maybe he felt the heat and chose eggs for his money, even then you think it's bullying? I have nothing personal against these guys, I don't even know them, for all I care they are purple, but this is a sheer attack to everything that is justified. It really makes me doubt you know all facts and your "solution" is biased.

I really hope you reconsider this weird decision you made. If it were anyone other than your supreme you would have banned him or her based on your demoteam's decision. Supremes have privileges, which is nothing more than normal. But in this case it seems like cheaters have privileges around here as well, where's their level? Junior members look up to higher admins, thus from my point of view, they should be punished harder because they abused their trust.

Do with it what you want, these are just my few cents and I just replied because some people share the same opinion as me but are not capable to elaborate it like this, don't have the time, or simply gave up already for a justified solution.

Have yourself a good evening, all :-)

-- Tankey

I was planning to not ever post again but dude, cut your bullshit already ... you don't even know what you are talking about.

First of all I have never been banned by Nitmod's anti-cheat. It's silEnT mod's anti-cheat that keeps banning me over and over for some reason, we spent hours with Lig & Mimus looking into the issue without a lot of success.

Besides, there have been cases of 100% clean people (opte,Davu) getting banned by it randomly other than me so I guess we can safely conclude that silEnT's anti-cheat is shit alright?

Sorry if my post sounds offensive, I don't even know you but what the hell, don't start interferring with stuff you know nothing about please

If anyone out there really believes I've been in this clan for 6 years, playing in these servers for thousands of hours using something as pathetic as cheats, if anyone thinks so lowly of me, then at least back up your words with some god damn proof and don't just talk dirty about me.

[Tankey]

Even scum is telling me off, what the actual?!

I was talking about this image. It actually was Nitmod, this proves my point even more. How can you say all these things after what happened?

- To clarify, I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT SILENTMOD! -



You're just making a fool of yourself. Deal with it and move on. Call this bullshit or photoshopped, would you really think I put so much effort in making you black?

I trust the system more than I trust subjective data. Prove my point otherwise.

Goodnight.

[Enigma]

Dear Ligustah,

I have always looked up to you in how you are managing things around here. But this is not the Ligustah I know. From what I recall, you did not make hasty ungrounded decisions. Neither do you now, but can you actually understand this feels like a backstab to some of your trusted, entitled admins? Everyone understands you needed time for Easter, but this "solution" as you may call it is unfair and I did not expect it, not from you.

As seen in my other post, both Sky and Vogel have been reported by Nitmod for using cheats. Back then, it was then covered up as false positive. What the actual fuck? Sorry for my language, being away a long time has roughened my vocabulary, but what is this?! You of all people should know it is not possible for Nitmod AC to have false positives. Nitmod flags a suspecious cheater as either SUSPECIOUS or UNKNOWN. If a known cheat is loaded into ET its memory it's reported as WALLHACK or GAMEHACK, undeniable.

Seen the fact that this prove are available, have you either not seen it, denied its authenticity or simply ignored it because it happened to be your supreme(s)? I am barely around here, but even I have seen it.

Another thing which is rather remarkable is that you are eager for facts. Everything I said above is thus based on actual data. Hence you accuse some of your members for bullying away Sky. Just because Vogel is a cheater, and Sky apparently as well, makes it more likely for you that Sky has been bullied away rather than because he stood up for a cheater (who is now caught), who also happened to be his friend and thus it could be out of friendship to one another? Maybe he felt the heat and chose eggs for his money, even then you think it's bullying? I have nothing personal against these guys, I don't even know them, for all I care they are purple, but this is a sheer attack to everything that is justified. It really makes me doubt you know all facts and your "solution" is biased.

I really hope you reconsider this weird decision you made. If it were anyone other than your supreme you would have banned him or her based on your demoteam's decision. Supremes have privileges, which is nothing more than normal. But in this case it seems like cheaters have privileges around here as well, where's their level? Junior members look up to higher admins, thus from my point of view, they should be punished harder because they abused their trust.

Do with it what you want, these are just my few cents and I just replied because some people share the same opinion as me but are not capable to elaborate it like this, don't have the time, or simply gave up already for a justified solution.

Have yourself a good evening, all :-)

-- Tankey

I was planning to not ever post again but dude, cut your bullshit already ... you don't even know what you are talking about.

First of all I have never been banned by Nitmod's anti-cheat. It's silEnT mod's anti-cheat that keeps banning me over and over for some reason, we spent hours with Lig & Mimus looking into the issue without a lot of success.

Besides, there have been cases of 100% clean people (opte,Davu) getting banned by it randomly other than me so I guess we can safely conclude that silEnT's anti-cheat is shit alright?

Sorry if my post sounds offensive, I don't even know you but what the hell, don't start interferring with stuff you know nothing about please

If anyone out there really believes I've been in this clan for 6 years, playing in these servers for thousands of hours using something as pathetic as cheats, if anyone thinks so lowly of me, then at least back up your words with some god damn proof and don't just talk dirty about me.

I think Tankey misunderstood your case and thought you were banned by nitmod anticheat instead of silent, which is a whole different matter. Relax and let this one go both of you. sky has not been banned by an undeniable anticheat for that matter (Vogel on the other hand was banned various times including by pbbans, thats too many different sources so the chance of that being a false positive by various different anticheats is amazingly low...on the other hand if people made me remember who he was a few years ago as nacht earlier I could have saved you a lot of trouble i think)