Other Can we have sILent mod? (archived by NightFall)

[djuki]

I am curious toward why you guys want Silent mod. And if you knows know the difference between silent / jaymod and nitmod. because its also possible to disable doublejump in jaymod....


btw an other radical idea is the merge Nam and BG to raise its activity. To half full server make one full server?
but I dont think this will work/...

[Mimus]

Id really love to throw in my 5 cents, and beware this is gonna be quite a long post, but worth the read it guess.

During the past weeks there came quite some people to me asking to merge this with that server or make a new server with whatever-mod.
Since the Allstars-Server (idk how many of you remember it, was a server where the majority could decide about mods/settings/maps etc.), we have always said "unless there is a big memberbase for it we will not make a new server", because in the past it never worked out, no matter which mod we used.
As it was mentioned several times already in this thread aswell, the mod and maps and settings only have a minimal influence on the success of a server. Most of all its the activity (player-wise), which makes a server popular. And Im talking about long-term activity here, not "oh i play once a week for half an hour"-activity.

Ofc I understand it is somehow "mean" if we say there is not a good enough/dedicated enough memberbase for sth without giving you the chance to show us there is. Yknow, like just because it did not work in the past does not mean it wont work now, aight?

But in order for us to do all that work (choosing a mod, a server, setting everything up, deciding about maps and settings and adminsystem and all that+more), we do need to have some kind of insurance. I hope you get what I mean. Like, we do not want to waste so much time for it and then see (yet again) that nobody actively and constantly plays on the server.
We would need to find a way to make people who play on the server think twice before deciding after a week or two they rather not play in that server anymore because its empty/boring/bots only or whatever.

So, to start a new server with a new mod and all we need to determine a few things. We always say we need an active, determined, constant memberbase.
How active is active? How many people do we need to gather to say it will work? Id say about 15-20, so we have even during times some are at school/work/sick/whatever at least like 7-9 people who play.
How often do those people have to play in order to make the server active and attract guests? They will have to play often and long enough so that guests who see that server notice and think "oh, there is always someone to play on this server, niiice". Meaning, there will have to be these above mentioned 7-9 players playing on the server every day, at least for a few hours, imo. Doesnt have to be the same people all the time, and doesnt have to be the same time always. See it like you will need at least 2x PSA on that server every day, during the high-activity times of ET (after work and in the evening or sth).
There surely are more things to discuss lateron, like who is admin and how does the lvl-db work out with a new mod etc.

But most of all, once we are done with "how many people" and "how often do they play", we need to find a solution to the question "how to prevent people from not playing anymore". I know that you will surely say "i will play all the time, dont worry" - but thats what you might think at the very moment, right now, when you still are kinda convinced the server will be active in no time. But what in a few weeks, or a month? When people do not instantly join your server, when you do not have 20+ guests all the time on the server after a month? Do not expect this server to be a new ND after a month.
If things do not work out properly in a small amount of time, what do we do to prevent people from being annoyed/frustrated/bored (and in the consequence of that going to another server to play at)?

Positive reinforcement (like, everyone who plays constantly for 3 months gets a free steamgaaaaame" isnt the way to go imo. You people want that server, and we give it to you, why give you something on top for a thing (the activity) you should do out of your own motivation anyways?
So we would need some kind of "punishment" (sounds hard, ik) to make people think again when they are bored and tempted to just leave the new server behind.

Like, we could say (and need to anyways i think) that everyone who wants to be in that new server to make it active is on stand-by in his current home server. That will happen anyways i think, cause its quite probable that if someone now wants to have a silentmod server, he will also join that server later and transfer there from his homeserver, aight?.
So if we say youre on stand-by, meaning no demotion or anything or punishments for inactivity in your homeserver, we COULD say that in case you do not fulfill the demands of that new server (active so and so often for so and so long etc.), you will be demoted to lvl 4 in your homeserver.
Sounds harsh? But think about it. Everyone who is above lvl 4 in our servers is thought to be a trustworthy, reliable member. And if that member does not do what he is supposed to in that new server, he shows he is not as reliable as we thought, aight? So why should someone who doesnt fulfill the duties he agreed to have any higher level than that of a new memebr who has yet to show his trustworthyness?

But thats just an example for a possible way to make people think twice before leaving the new server behind. I guess and hope there are other ways to make sure people stay in the server they want to make active rather than punishing them like this. I however do not know any other way atm, and I hope you guys come up with other suggestions about this (aswell as about the beforementioned things like activity, amount of players and all that).


As you can see, its not enough to just say "hey me and a few friends want a new mod lets do it its gonna be so active other clans also have active servers with that mod". We need a detailed plan with a backup in case things dont work out properly.

Mimus

[Sky]

Well mimus that idea sure is interresting but with even our whole current member base and their overall activity I doubt we could have more than one really active server (ND atm) ... Idk I personally don't feel like trying anywyas

[optee]

It's not worth trying.

[Coffee]

Me neither. Definitely not right now, as even our PsA team is paused because of inactivity and because of no guests showing up on a regular basis. No Download is the only server running good. I am personally up for a change, but not this change.

btw an other radical idea is the merge Nam and BG to raise its activity. To half full server make one full server?
but I dont think this will work/...

This I like, even if it's a radical idea. I don't know what you guys think, but I am personally very curious about this. Not that I think we should merge BG and Nam, but a merge in general..I know it's alot of work but I guess the time is here to at least change something...

[Mimus]

Well it indeed depends on how many people actually are interested in a new server (question nr.1 -> how many ppl to keep it active). Atm we have, apart from the ND members, 53 active members over the other 5 servers. So, we would need about a little less than half of them if we go with my above calculation. Either that or less people who are therefore more active on that new server (easy as that, less ppl = need to be more active in order to make up for the missing others).

Its enough if at all these high times there are like 3-4 people on each team to attract guests. the 15-20 number was mainly to have a backup of players when other are not there/dont want to play atm. If there are just like 7-9 players overall who want a new mod (a number i deem as possible and probable considering our current available members), those indeed have to play a lot more than when there are more people in the memberbase (something that could lead to getting bored/exhausted faster since its always those few people who play and see the emptyness of the server at least in the first time).


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The question when merging is will it actually help? If someone joins e.g. BG its because he likes BG. There is a reason he did not join NAM. And yes if those 2 servers merge there is a bigger memberbase to "choose from" concerning players. But who says those people are dedicated/motivated to make the merged server active rather than going to an already full server like ND? (after all they also were not dedicated enough to make either BG or NAM more active in the past, why should they now try to make BGNAM active?)
Apart from that, merging. Merge what? Have a NAM server with BG maps, a Nitmod server with NAM maps, wuuuut? Like, what would there actually be to be merged, and how/what do we merge without turning some people down (e.g. choosing nitmod for the merged server over nam, then Nam players might be disappointed...etc/vice versa)

[Sky]

Merge BG and VM and make it silent? haha would be interresting

[$ubzero]

yeah what I have been thinking about is indeed merging inactive servers (Sniper, BG, Nam, HS (maybe )) like 2 servers to 1.
But before we do this there should indeed be like a poll or sth or a list where people can sign up for those who want to be part of it, make it happen. Those should get a seperate topic/base on the site where they can discuss everything about the new server under supervision of MST's.

They can vote in their "small" (20 members) group what settings/mod/options they want in the new server etc.
This would make that the majority of those people get a server they want it to be and should be interested in keep playing there. After all that is decided the actual server setup and merge can happen.

Then like said by Mimus they can be put inactive on their home server, and I would say they also need to put up a system /roster. where they have something like a meeting roster (like on Headshot), that keeps track of their activity. So they each have like hours they are "obligated" to play. And when not doing this they get demoted for example 1 lvl on their home server.
They can ofcourse change due to inactivaty, sickness, family, ....

They would have to keep that up till they have a strong enough base of members and or regulars that keep server populated.
That is how I kinda see it.


But back to topic, how many want Silent? is it just one or how many want this to happen.
Maybe there should be made a poll/topic to see how many want a change?

[djuki]

My idea to join NAM and BG is because they have a common idea for a server.
It the objective based server and all other choices for settings are based on this (mines, panzer, maps, speed, doublejump, etc)

[The Master]

for the new server: i think from the 53 active members 10 maybe even more are to inactive to forfill the time to play at the new server, and from the 43 left i think like maybe 3 wanne try it, so i think its really useless to even discus it, but plz post here if not:P

joining servers together. well i have been thinking about it aswell.
but i think you can leave sniper and nam out off it, because there is only 1 person from those 2 servers active, and that is butcher, so imo mixing sniper or nam with another server doesnt change a thing, exept for maybe losing a nam guests who plays there once a week with bots.

we have been thinking about it before to mix hs with bg (shockwaves idea actualy) to make an obj headshot server or for example to make it hs kill with the vote system or something like it, but we never got that close cause the supremes arent sure about it+its alot off work and votes etc etc etc etc.+ the time we talked about it hani had to do exames and stuff first.

but let me know what you guys think, especialy hs and bg members.