For discuss. (archived by Old J.R.)

[Makez]

Bots must work in them like bialy said.

[ZonElax]

Noone likes -TWC|Sniper II? Okay...

[Andre]

Noone likes -TWC|Sniper II? Okay...

I like it, its a nice Map

[Slash]

Zone: -TWC|Sniper II is a beautiful map as TWC Village both of them with nics portals but none of them has waypoint system yet. Im really sorry for saying that but they not good for cycle until there is no waypoint for bots. :/

[Spicy]

Who wants to fight bots anyway?

[Destroy666]

And who wants to fight vs air? If a guest comes and there is no member, I don't think he will wait. He will go to server with players or bots. The same about not moving bots. Take a look at most active sniper servers atm:
|ES| - 12 bots, all maps waypointed - rank 104 in GT
LsD - 14 bots, probably all maps waypointed too - rank 152 in GT
UJE - 16 bots, all maps waypointed - rank 172 in GT
TWC - only 6 bots, maps in cycle waypointed - rank 180 in GT

The most active servers (except TJ and ETPro) have at least 10 bots, mostly more. It's a fact which should be obvious to everyone, ET isn't in state when bots are useless, that was few years ago (Sniper without bots was much more active than ND now and still ranked lower).

BTW, Sniper_II will be in cycle as soon as I make waypoints for it too, they are half finished but now I got exams and slowed down computer.

[Spicy]

Well I guess so then. I just find it so boring to kill bots, maybe that's just me. I also prefer so that I actually see how many players there are on the server and not connect and find it full of bots.

I don't think it would be the end of the world to have few maps that has no waypoints for bots (until someone has time to do them, if ever). People can always vote next map if they are alone.

[Destroy666]

I find it boring too, that doesn't mean newbies don't. You need to try to "look with other player's eyes", not only yours. I think they prefer it even more than playing vs leaner or very good player and getting dead all the time - they can practise on them, learn map spots. Some probably don't know that are bots, I see sometimes newbies vsaying Great Shot or talking to them. Also Mayhem, who has experience, told me to spec bot because he thought it's a cheater.
Not all know how to vote for next map too. The voting you mentioned can be done the other way round either - who disallows you to vote on map without waypoints when there are players?

And if bots don't matter, explain me why some admins are even 'cheating' and putting false redirect server with 30-40 bots and private slots so players will join it and be redirected (because of private slots and bots making server full) to another, correct server with bots too, but less. For instance, the most active server (F|A) is doing that.

[Spicy]

I never said bots don't matter. And I also understand why we need them. But if one or two maps does not have them I don't see it as such a big problem. Even newbies eventually improve and get bored to bots. I'm just saying that few maps with no moving bots can't be so bad.

I rarely see complete newbies on sniper server who are completely new to this game but that can be just me. Most already know the basic stuff like voting (not saying that everyone does).
Bots also many times annoy you when you have like 3-4 players on server and no admins and you would like to have non-bot fights.

So my point is, is it so bad if we have few maps in mapsycle that doesn't have moving bots.

[Destroy666]

So my point is, is it so bad if we have few maps in mapsycle that doesn't have moving bots.

So here my final argument - TWC|Sniper jumped from 320 place to even 140 after removing maps without waypoints from cycle (sniper_lake, TWC village and TWC sniper II) and replacing them with waypointed maps. Without bots on server, when I rejoined last summer it was on place around 500. Coincidences? Don't think so.