Leaving TWCCLAN (archived by iTim)

[HenryC]

I am sad for this news... Good luck and I hope you'll come back and visit us!

[George Luz]

Jani...
There are certain things you can and can't do... I've always known you as an honorable man with enough respect for those who outrank him. I feel sorry for you leaving because we both are career soldiers, took the TWC ranks one by one and helped each other out wherever we could. But this incident doesn't mean much in my opinion. I think everyone should be allowed to have one major mistake in their career and if you were saying those things you've said in the heat of a fight I think you can redeem yourself simply by apologizing and promising that it won't happen again. You'll have to show us that you mean it and with time it will all be forgotten. That's my opinion on things. I'm not taking sides here, just saying. Do what you consider best... Hope you change your mind, put away your pride and write that letter to Butch. I'd like to have you back in the team and I think you are mature enough to not behave like this again. In case this is your final decision... I wish you best of luck my brother in arms. Hope you come for a visit once in a while. You will be missed...

[Thrasher]

good bye and good luck in real life!

[Fabius]

It's normal that if you insult Butcher he will be angry. Sometimes I call Butcher noob during game but he knows that I'm joking but if you start to say him some insults he will be angry.
I recruited you in this clan, but when I do it you weren't this person. You play normally without insults, but in this period you were playing also for admin level. You sometimes ask to Butcher if he can promote you but maybe you don't know one of our rules:
Asking for admin levels is not allowed.
Maybe in this reply I have been very hard, but I want to let you know what I think about you.
In any case goodbye and good luck in your life

[Maths]

Bye Jani , i hope to see you again

[DroN]

bye jani good luck in reallife

[Bella]

Good Bye and good luck in real life jani !

[Butcher]

As I promised I have uploaded two screenshot about the latest insultings Jani made to me. I am not happy at allto to this with a member/ex-member but as Jani indicated me as one reason of his exit, I must clear the point: it was only his behaviour that he can thank the deterioration of the atmoshere he felt in recent weeks.
The shouts on screenshots show translated from Hungarian to English (we are both of Hungarian nationality):
   
On Bremen map after I shot him down:
"cigany vagy" = cigány vagy => "you are a gipsy"
   
On Glider map after I shot down their glider with my panzer:
"kabe" = kabbe = "kapd be" (phonetic turns) => "swallow my c.0ck"

Earlier I had several conversations with him about behaviour and insultings, supportive gaming at a time when he was heavily pushing for high admin function at me, asking me why the h3ll is he not an admin yet considering he was member for half a year or so. Though I did not like that arrogant style i was patient and told him stop this admin begging, asking him that he only should be a supportive player and member. He seemed to show changes in style and behaviour, however these suddens reactions confirmed for me from time to time that he does not have any respect towards me.
Moreover he tried to explain these isntultings by telling that he intended to say those to some other players or bots, which I can evaluate that he thinks I am a fully idiot when I believe it - which is enraging as well, another sign of disrespect.

Even after this incident I warned him that it was his last move, so next time he insults me in publich chat so heavily he will be kicked out of clan. After 1-2 weeks he asked me if "I am still angry with him" and I replied that I am more than angry and see total disrespect from his side, though he still can stay member (unless he does not make more trouble) but I asked him not communicate with me in any form like chat, messages etc. and with any "official" suggestions or problems he should go to the forum and post them, but I do not want to receive any communication from him.

Actually air has been frozen around him so as you see he chose to leave, though instead of facing the consequences of his actions and taking the responsibility, with blaming me improperly, what I consider another sh1tty move, that's why I posted this details.

At the end I would still like to state that I rather regret the case and his proceedings and that the old Hungarian saying proved again to be right so far: "A dog will never turn to bacon." [Kutyából nem lesz szalonna].

Note: I wondered that most posters dropped tears for his leaving and seemed not to recognise his behaviour.

[Bensch]

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i'm gonna miss you brah

But you really shouldn't have messed with ol' Butch

Good luck in the future and in your futher live.

Maybe you will find time to visit sometimes again

[George Luz]

Jani...
After I've talked to Butch and read his statement I was shocked... Man I thought you were better than that.
When I came to the clan you were already a member and I thought that you were nice and respectful, and had no idea about what you've been doing since the spring of 2013. Guess I saw you as a supportive, nice member because you were in that "phase" back then, but I see things have changed. Insults are insults, begging for admin level is not allowed and you should've known that, and I've lost all my respect towards you since you still didn't write a letter to Butch with an apology of some sort...
Your behaviour in the past should've not been tolerated... You should've learnt from your mistakes... I promised not to take sides on this one, but I feel that I should and Butch is right you know. If you don't respect those who outrank you, you will never become the man you want to be. No matter how good you are with a gun, no matter how good you fight on the battlefield, without respect you're just another one of those people who don't deserve a title...
I'm terribly sorry for my agressiveness and I certanly mean no harm it's just... I really thought that you were better than that... And I also blame myself for not knowing you enough... I'm sorry man...
Still I hope you learn from your mistakes! Visit us from time to time and who knows maybe (just maybe) you'll decide someday that you want to change and you'll join us and we can turn the page.
Again... Best of luck to you and I hope you learn from your mistakes!
Remember it's never too late!