Level system. (archived by John)

[John]

As some members tell me this level system can be abusive I want to defend divine's and my work.

We've taken ND's current level system and editted it a bit.

About fling -> that one is abusive indeed and will be removed.
About database commands, they will be deleted indeed.
About finger and userlist, those are very usefull and will be but after level 8 (still discussable)

And as mayhem said, server supreme's are allowed to edit the level systems, although I don't see a reason (if a level 8 member in sniper can use splat a level 8 member in panzerwar should be allowed as well)

[Destroy666]

How ever just this past weekend we had a guid stealer in one of the servers. So any command that gives a players guid should not be used below a trusted member level.

Oh, yes, forgot about this 4rc4d3 idiot. Anyways I doubt that he stole GUID because !finger or !userlist. Script kiddos will always find a way to get someone's GUID, even in servers without level system, they don't need commands.

You should look at it from 2 sides - on 1st side there is like 1:100 or smaller risk of a wannabe hacker getting to clan and stealing GUIDs to abuse commands in server and blah blah, on 2nd there are members below 'trusted lvl' who can't !finger cheaters without GUID (which are plague, almost all cheaters don't have GUID atm). And if this trusted level is higher level than 10 let's say, then at least 75% of clan won't be able to do anything except calling higher admin.

[MayheM]

john: Yes we are not attacking your work here. I know how hard it is to come up with the proper commands and at what level. Editing is always needed.

As for servers with custom commands, I do see a need as destroy and J.R. pointed out that in the sniper server crossing is not allowed and !splat is a great deterrent. Where as in panzer there is no such thing as crossing :P


!finger is a very useful command and I agree at some level a member should have it, but really not before they show a willingness to stay. At the least I would say level 7. !userlsit really isn't needed by anyone except those checking activity of the server for promotions or other wise. The only ones who can give promotions are server supremes and other high admin if they are given permission to do so. So I see no need for !userlist any where below 14 really.

Agreed with what you said about arcade, but still there is no reason to make it easier for people like him. In the past when !finger was in all levels, all someone had to do was join for a day and had almost any guid he wanted. Mine was stolen and used that way one time as well as others.

And still in most cases I still think lower admin contacting high admin is the best thing. They get a chance to watch and learn if the admin is of course available. Screenshots, demos and chat logs are still the best way to guarentee some one is dealt with properly. Even supremes should be held accountable for their actions in banning someone. In the past too many people were banned for just not being liked by server supreme and for just having more skill.

[Spicy]

About fun commands, fling, launch, chicken etc, they should really be for 12+ lvls, or not exist at all imo. Levli for higher lvls only maybe.
Unmute and splat around 10-12 too. Putteam somewhere around 8.
Kick and ban for 14, unban 16.

I think that current PW levelsystem is just fine, i bet this would attract some abusers.

E: I would change alot of other things that i didnt mention too.

I agree with this.

I appreciate the effort but I like the old level system a lot more. Just my opinion. :P

[Andre]

About fun commands, fling, launch, chicken etc, they should really be for 12+ lvls, or not exist at all imo. Levli for higher lvls only maybe.
Unmute and splat around 10-12 too. Putteam somewhere around 8.
Kick and ban for 14, unban 16.

I think that current PW levelsystem is just fine, i bet this would attract some abusers.

E: I would change alot of other things that i didnt mention too.

I agree with this.

I appreciate the effort but I like the old level system a lot more. Just my opinion. :P

Well turbo you cant compare level system of panzerwar with nd.. What type or rulebreakers there Are in panzerwar?? Who do spawnkill and?

In nd there many way to' break rules (wj,heavy sk,trickplant etc), so imo the command splat must be' from level 6 , same as mute. Since now noone of low level abused with that commands, so i dont see reason to' change it

[Spicy]

They can always try to tell the that its against the rules and see if any higher admins would be online. IMO certain commands (mute ,unmute, kick, ban, unban for example, there are a lot more) shouldn't been given straight away, they have to earn it.

Also one thing that I have always wondered. Why give PsA all those commands, when in PsA Regulations it says that I can't even use splat?

I still prefer the level system and I don't see a reason to change it.

[Cow]

About fun commands, fling, launch, chicken etc, they should really be for 12+ lvls, or not exist at all imo. Levli for higher lvls only maybe.
Unmute and splat around 10-12 too. Putteam somewhere around 8.
Kick and ban for 14, unban 16.

I think that current PW levelsystem is just fine, i bet this would attract some abusers.

E: I would change alot of other things that i didnt mention too.

I'm with you Turdo.

~Cow

[Andre]

They can always try to tell the that its against the rules and see if any higher admins would be online. IMO certain commands (mute ,unmute, kick, ban, unban for example, there are a lot more) shouldn't been given straight away, they have to earn it.

Also one thing that I have always wondered. Why give PsA all those commands, when in PsA Regulations it says that I can't even use splat?

I still prefer the level system and I don't see a reason to change it.

We still didnt have one guest that complained bout abuse of commands, that mean our low level admins Are using commands wisely, so imo you need to' trust about our members ^^


Bout psa, i agree with u, i always asked to' myself that

[MayheM]

TY Spicy and Andre, I didn't notice the changes made to PsA either.

It took a long time and a couple of members being kicked for us to realize that PsA is a recruiting job and nothing more while visiting a server. Abusive or fun commands really aren't needed and have caused some trouble between visiting PsA members and the server owners.

Please edit PsA back to the way it was. All the rest is still open for discussion

[Spicy]

Yeah but even now we have commands like splat, kick, mute and put. Why do we have these commands if we can't use them?