Level system. (archived by John)

[bollie]

Just out of curiousity, what is wrong with the old levelsystem? And what is the point of leaving 1 level enpty between aat and leader? There is no need of putting another rank between those 2.

Greetings,

Bollie.

[Turboapina]

About fun commands, fling, launch, chicken etc, they should really be for 12+ lvls, or not exist at all imo. Levli for higher lvls only maybe.
Unmute and splat around 10-12 too. Putteam somewhere around 8.
Kick and ban for 14, unban 16.

I think that current PW levelsystem is just fine, i bet this would attract some abusers.

E: I would change alot of other things that i didnt mention too.

[Divine]

And maybe we need to delete ban/unban for Visiting Owners.
That's not their job

[MayheM]

Definately remove ban and unban from visiting owners. As you say Divi that is not their job.

I also have a problem with fun commands. Yes they can be fun, but more often they are abused especially when no higher admin are in the server. You will find the abuse simpley by looking in the command db of the server. Then demotions will come and feelings hurt. Better to just avoid all that now and move the fun commands up to where long term members can have them as a reward for staying.

Level 10 with ban and unban is a power drug that will go to players heads. I had that at level 14 with good reason in the past. Since no one should be banned without a recorded demo any way, I see no reason for lower than 14 to have it.

Lastly, Lig already mentioned what I planned to. It is in regards to guid stealers. Making Supreme level a bit vanilla will help keep the servers safe to some degree. !loaddb !savedb and such should not be in any command list. They should only be used in rcon consoles and not ingame.

Didn't take time to look them all over, but I doubt there is much to worry about other than what I have mentioned above :P

[Chaos]

I would like to keep the old one. ND had much abusers, so this one wouldn't be good in ND.

Chaos.

[Andre]

I would like to keep the old one. ND had much abusers, so this one wouldn't be good in ND.

Chaos.

agreed

[Chuck]

i think the new is good but there are some changes that have 2 be maded.
about levlist it cant do no harm to server if an member can use levli cause you only see which adminlevels excist.
and about the fun commands yes i agree that only higher admin can have it for example from lvl 9 to 999 and as we got the awesome admin log we can always see which member is abusing in what time of day and if the server is empty or if players are in it.
and the useredit can be usefull if an member is inactive for long time and gets an demotion that an high admin from lvl 15 for example can edit it to the demoted level (thats my oppinion)

thats all what i can think now maybe some stuff later :P

[Ligustah]

Sorry, but no. !userlist will never be added to any level. Not even 999.
I can't count the times I had to manually remove @all ACLs from people who stole GUIDs, and used !useredit to throw around @all permissions like they were candies.

I can't stress this enough: all database commands (all that can permanently change the server in any way) are to be used via RCON only. No exceptions.

-- Ligustah

[Destroy666]

I agree with you about !useredit, !levedit, !levadd, !levdelete, !dbsave etc. But !finger and !userlist are very useful and almost harmless without the commands mentioned before.
I don't know why would we remove those 2, we didn't have any 'fake admin' guests for a long time (at least since I rejoined last summer), except the TJ case which was mistyped referee.


Anyways I'm with Chaos and J.R. Why not let the server supremes decide level systems in own server? There are differences between admins opinions, not all want the same command combination. For example Sniper needs !splat for crossers in early levels, while PW doesn't need it almost at all. Some owners want fun commands, some not. Additionaly, there are different level systems in Vietnam or TJ. Why not the same in Jaymod servers?
Of course they wouldn't be done by owners like they want, with !ban in level 4 and other stupidities. Before putting on server they could be reviewed by MST and changed if needed.

[MayheM]

J.R. already asked me about different levlists in each server and I agreed with that. You made a strong point about each server having special needs. So yes you may change the sniper levels to fit your needs.

How ever just this past weekend we had a guid stealer in one of the servers. So any command that gives a players guid should not be used below a trusted member level.

I doubt the guid stealer got it from our servers, but there is no point in making it any easier for them to join TWC for a month and be able to have any members guid to steal and then leave.

We ask all high admin to please be careful where you play. It would be a good idea to get and use a different guid while playing any where else other than our own servers.