Inappropriate behavior from staff member Raven on Discord (archived by _raven.:))

[Mystik]

Hey guys,

before jumping to any conclusions, let me just say that I will try to remain objective. I don't have anything against anybody.

First of all, thank you Moonster for making this thread. We will try to make the best of it and perhaps even learn something from it.

So, I happen to read some of the conversation on Discord, but not all of it. As far as I know it started something in relation of "TWC making a bad decision" followed by a wave of criticism and disagreement. Is that correct? I don't want to point any fingers towards anybody, nor I will search someone to blame.

Yes, Raven made some actions which he thought were best for the given situation. However, not everyone agreed with those actions, and the "drama" (as you guys like to call it) happened. Of course not every decision is a good decision, but Raven did what he did. Like Cross stated, everyone makes mistakes. Let's say that Raven's decisions were wrong, but who are you to question his decisions? Most of the guys present are not and were never even in TWC. I see some of you making useless and provocative posts on a daily basis. You guys are on our TWC Clan discord just to stir "shit", and searching for target to go after. In this case you guys went for Raven.

Please don't tell me you're innocent and that I am supporting Raven's bad decisions. I see stuff, people tell me things, I am not just some dumb guy. Like many times people said ET is dying. I agree. For the most part, however there are still some active servers like FA. Like our dear friend Neustra who is a ND legend and is with us for at least 10 years, left TWC to go into FA. Now he came back and loaded bounch of cr*p how closing ND was a bad decision. Sorry comrade, you were long gone, and if you really cared for ND, why did you leave in the first place. Anyways, I guess merging ND and Beginnera in hope to gain crucial activity was such a bad decision, am I right?

And one other fact about 'Need of Drama". Few days ago I've made a post and wishes everyone a nice vacation, and most importaintly I gave you some motivation for bringing back activity when summer ends. Nobody commented anything, not even a thank you. On the other hand if you look at this thread or this situation, there were at least 10 people active and started commenting. It just shows how internet works, everyone is seeking for either atention or somekind of drama. Generally I like to joke around, but there is a line somewhere. Please, let's keep our channel clean and behave like we are supposed to. We are mostly all adult, are we not?

As one of the leading figures in TWC Clan I would like to apologize to the people who were hurt in this incident, especially to you Moonster. I hope we can avoid this kind of situations in the future. Please PM me if you have any further informations. All those who were banned or kicked will be brought back, unless a team of ALL Supremes says otherwise.

Thank you for reading, I hope we can now calmly use our channel.

Cheers, have a nice day.

Not sure if you wrote this up before or after I posted my wall, but how it started is both available in my post and in the Discord chat history. It began with a discussion on activity with valkk's provocative message. In my opinion there were good points from many people, too bad it got derailed.

I really don't understand how it's relevant that "most of you are not and never were in TWC". Who are you referring to, Moon? Sure. But anyone else in that convo? There are members, ex-members and regular guests that have played in TWC servers FOR A DECADE taking part in the discussion, how is their opinion any less relevant?

I can only speak for myself, but I do like the drama, and I have never denied or even tried to deny that. That doesn't change the facts though, or the points that I make. I very rarely pull hot takes up my ass and provide opinions I don't actually agree with. I might insert them in spots designed to make a joke or maybe twist someone's nipples a bit in the wrong way. But I do try to be open about my own flaws as well, when I can. I welcome criticism about my actions or behavior, but expect others to take it in return too.

If it wasn't clear from my wall of text, I do not think Nuestra should be unbanned. His ban in general is justified, maybe not just for what he was actually banned for. He is an annoying idiot that provides no value to anything, but even he should be entitled to his shit opinions.

The point we are making here is not that LOOK RAVEN MADE BAD BAN, but that he keeps saying that guests and normal members are not allowed to criticize moderation decisions, which should not be the case in my opinion.

I am able to remain objective in this, as I very much agree with Nuestra being banned, but I don't agree with people not being allowed to discuss the ban or other moderation decisions.

PS. Raven kept saying that "the supremes" agreed on this but not a single other supreme or higher said anything in Discord. Surely you discussed in your secret channels, but it helps to see those others higher ups then voice it publicly as well, as you have done in your post.
Also a point was made that "this discussion is not for Discord" and should instead be made into a complaint on the forum. But why? Discord is an easier and faster way of communication, and the ban itself was related to Discord.

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I think most of the people there at the time were in TWC at some point (like me). Besides that the only reason people like me got pulled in is because of the 2 @everyone's talking about how no one is allowed to disagree.

I don't chat in TWC discord that often these days but then i get pinged twice about not being allowed to disagree so i start to read into what happened and realize that there didn't seem to be anything wrong with what nuestra said right before he got banned.

I can honestly say that i was innocent until i said the message that got me banned. I said it because i was annoyed at how things were handled, annoyed that my earlier message got deleted without being informed or without a good reason imo and annoyed that the reply i got was basically "deal with it".

Yeah one of the pings was the Raven ping, and then Narko did one or two useless @everyone pings, so I don't blame people who usually don't chat looking at the server to see what's going on...