Oasis' witch-hunt & RQ from TWC

[Mystik]

On tonight's episode of "Mystik is bored and wants to get back into gaming clan drama" we are presented with a tutorial: What not to do when you suspect someone of cheating.


Firstly, you might have seen Oasis RQ the clan, stating that TWC allows cheaters and that he can't stand that:




Since I do not believe TWC endorses cheating in any way, let's take a deeper dive on this.

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Friday-Saturday evening 13-14.11.2020, TWC No Download
We were playing late on ND, Me and Smiley vs Thrasher and Oasis. Oasis started to accuse Smiley of cheating, and it turns out he has suspected this for a while. From what he said on the server, I believe he had already taken demos earlier, sent them to higher up people and a conclusion had been reached that Smiley is clean. CORRECT ME IF THIS IS INCORRECT!
What then unfolded on the server was a start to the worst way of handling suspected cheaters, especially when they are your fellow clanmates.



Things got pretty ridiculous on the server, these are just 2 snippets in screenshot form, but you can check the full discussion from the logs.


Sunday-Monday evening 15-16.11.2020, TWC Discord

I was not going to make any posts etc. about this, unless Oasis started some crap on the forums, but here we are. Why, you might ask? Well, today things escalated in Discord, and Tuksi provided his own very useful garbage trolling to the situation and things escalated beyond the point of return.
NOTE: This screenshot is huge, sorry if it loads slowly on my server.
https://i.mstk.eu/Screenshot_20201116-01...iscord.jpg (Imgur mirror: https://i.imgur.com/h5yokrf.jpg)
The amount of insults back and forth is just ridiculous, and this was handled poorly by both parties. (Managed to ss right before Chuckie moderated these)

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Oasis, I understand your frustration because you believe that Smiley is cheating. I also understand your frustration about Tuksi's useless trolling and provocative behavior. This is still not the way to handle either thing.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SMILEY, OR ANY MEMBER IS CHEATING, AND THAT DEMO TEAM OR WHOEVER YOU HAVE SENT THE DEMOS TO HAVE MADE AN ERROR IN THEIR JUDGEMENT - POST THE DEMO PUBLICLY TO THE FORUM
This way you might get more opinions from people outside of the demo team.

1. If your demo team still has a reasonable amount of members who know their stuff, and these demos of smiley were already reviewed by the demo team, this case should be closed.
2. If you suspect someone of cheating... Don't tell them. Instead record demos and post to demo team / forum.
3. Even if the person is deemed clean, and you feel frustrated about it, you should not confront the player. You can perhaps try to sneakily record more demos and try to make a better case.
4. @Oasis, If 10 people have deemed the demos inconclusive of Smiley's possible cheating, what makes your one opinion superior?
5. If you think TWC is ran by Finnish Mafia + Nirv, send the demo to other people. There should be more members, admins, supremes and MSTs in this clan still?
6. Consider rebanning Tuksi, he has been warned multiple times, and he certainly provocated things in Discord which is why they escalated even worse.
7. Lanttu is not using a script, it is simply a settings change with no "automated" actions to counter recoil that a lot of people seem to think. It is simply a settings change and is allowed per the ND rules. Appeal to change the ND rule about this or stop complaining and use it yourself as well: /com_maxfps 76
8. The claim that TWC allows cheating is ridiculous. The demo team and forum reporting sections are there for a reason. If the demos go trough this process and the person is deemed to not be cheating, leave it be, or simply create more evidence to strengthen your case against the suspect.

PS. Smiley wear your fucking tags
PSS. You can ban Smiley, would love to not get rekt by him @ ND

[Nirv]

Im the supreme of ND and one of the remaining member of the demo team.

And yet I have not seen anywhere any demo of smiley posted where he uses a cheat or whatsoever.

Until proven otherwise, smiley is clean.

Moreover smiley plays this game since 2010.

And he does play a lot of etpro public servers.

He’s decent and above average.

But he has good days and bad days, and when you spec him, you just see a decent player.

I demand you (oasis) to post the demo in the correct section and not behave like you did. I will handle this case myself and if I see some kind of humanized aimbot (like Vogel), we will take the correct actions.
Calling someone a cheater in the main chat is not allowed by our rules. You have to record a demo and post it in the forum as mystik said.
Please follow the TWC guideline and stop thinking I’m corrupted or whatsoever only because I spend 3/4 of my time with Finnish players.

We can pretty much close this case to prevent any further drama.


Ps : the demo doesn’t get deleted from forum oasis, stop the conspiracy theory and write me a pm with a download link. Because yet you didn’t post it anywhere or you sent it to the wrong persons

Edit 17th of November 2020 : No PM received / No demos posted anywhere

[Lanttu]

Not much to add what Nirv already said, but

4. @Oasis, If 10 people have deemed the demos inconclusive of Smiley's possible cheating, what makes your one opinion superior?

If multiple people have said, Smilej doesn't cheat, aswell as people with ETPro backgrounds and many years of experience in busting down cheaters, who or what does it take to make you believe that Smilej doesn't cheat? Just curious why or how you can disregard their opinions? Could you give us your insight on it, or you just gonna stay stubborn about it and show no proof / demos?

7. Lanttu is not using a script, it is simply a settings change with no "automated" actions to counter recoil that a lot of people seem to think.

Tsöhöhöhö, my right hand is actually a prosthetic got 15 different aimbots installed to it.

[Narko]

smilej is not hacking