Forum OA suggestion (archived by NightFall)

[Duka]

Now this is ridiculous. So what, you are not supreme, then you can't receive the award?
I think Imma and Hani both deserver OA, we know what is OA credo is - No <member's nickname> = No <server's name>
Server would be dead without him.

PS: Puitje, please stop butthurting around, you are almost always negative to everything. Narko has just written his opinion, damn.

[Bread]

Now this is ridiculous. So what, you are not supreme, then you can't receive the award?

When did anyone ever say that?

[Puitje]

Now this is ridiculous. So what, you are not supreme, then you can't receive the award?
I think Imma and Hani both deserver OA, we know what is OA credo is - No <member's nickname> = No <server's name>
Server would be dead without him.

PS: Puitje, please stop butthurting around, you are almost always negative to everything. Narko has just written his opinion, damn.

First of all, I wasn't negative. I said that Hani is doing a good job as new Supreme but it's too soon to call it 'Outstanding', while Imma is doing the same for +- 2 years, which is more 'Outstanding' to me, and I guess for most of the players.

OA credo? Please, I can't even imagine what Turbo and Rote had to do to deserve the OA award, it was faaaar more 'Outstanding' than this.

[The Master]

well idk him extreem well or something but he is always nice as far as i know but i cant tell you the acual work he has done anyway i agree since its only a title wish can make some1 even more enjoy what he/she does for the clan, so ye why the buthurts? i dont see that point only if you dont like the person and ofc that is oke but plz leave it to the rest in that case and every1 is happy and you dont get eritated.

[Mimus]

///deleted the useless posts that have nothing to do with the actual subject

Now on the matter:

Ofc we do have other awards than the often used OA (e.g. Confirmed Active Member and Recognized Problem Solver) who might suit Hani aswell.

However, I do not see a problem with him having this award, and tbh I do not really see why some of you seem to be against it.

Lets first sum up the reasons brought up why he should get an award:
1. supporting HS for a few years
2. giving a lot of technical support to HS and other servers (now that he is supreme and aswell before, even though with less access at that time)
3. Keeping HS alive during the very inactive times
I would like to add aswell that he
4. Never left the clan, nor ever had a long period of absence
5. Is very active, ingame aswell as in the forums concerning not only spamming, but also giving opinion on several upcoming matters + trying to help

Now reasons why he should not get the award:
1. The reasons above are not outstanding enough (it has to be at least sth like bringing a server back to the top)
2. Hani is not long enough supreme + therefore has not kept HS alive for long enough yet


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A few things I would like to adress in order to maybe make some of you have a second thought about the matter:

a) Hani is not long enough supreme and at the same time keeping HS alive to get the award. But he is HS member for a reaaaaaaally long time already and keeping HS alive at that time aswell, right? Question is, why does he have to prove himself as capable of keeping the server alive now that he is supreme in order to get the award if he has already shown that he can keep the server alive as much as possible for a single human being while being HS member? If we leave out the short time he is supreme (because it should not matter if he is supreme or member if the talk is about doing the best to keep the server alive), then we are left with Hani being there for long enough + keeping activity as high as possible.

b) What he did is not outstanding enough. Now, why not? Ofc you can say if someone brings a server back to the top is far more oa-worthy than just keeping a server alive, but I remember people getting oa-awards for doing just that: being supreme and keeping a server alive. Most of the times this server was already doing pretty okay. Why should people who keep a well-going server alive be more oa-worthy than someone who keeps a not-so-good-going server alive? Sometimes its just not possible for a single person/supreme to get a server back on full activity. That still does not mean these people to not do a good job on keeping what they have (just like a supreme of an active server does) or do not do everything they can to help the server.

c) Now directly adressing you two, Chris and Puitje (since you were the ones having doubts about Hani having this award):

Chris
http://board.twcclan.org/thread-4171.html
How comes you agreed on Veli having an OA Award when all that was mentioned as a reason was being a long-term member (even with a clan-break), being a very active and responsible member of his home server, and is still greatly contributing to its activity and being a regulator on forum + helping people in need out as much as possible. I do not see how this is any different from Hani, so I would love to get an explanation about why Veli did get a yes and Hani doesnt.

http://board.twcclan.org/thread-2899.html
Same goes for the 2 times Puitje was suggested for OA. He was a good HS supreme, very active, trying to raise activity on HS (being one of the few active members of HS that time). More or less the same doubts came up that time as they do here now, like why should someone get OA for just "doing his job" aka being supreme and doing the best to keep the server alive etc. - so the reasons you are adressing now. Still you agreed that time on an OA award. So how comes you did not have doubts with Puitjes award back then, but have them with Hanis award (+ why do you now give the same arguments against it which did not matter for you back then?)

http://board.twcclan.org/thread-5391-pos...#pid102918
When it was a 2nd time suggested for him (2 years later, without any certain reasons) you again agreed.

Puitje:
Talking about the thread where you were suggested for an OA award, Id like to ask why you agreed on having it (ofc you said you dont know why exactly you get it, but I guess you still felt flattered for being suggested and having an oa-award, right?). Moreover, I do not exactly see where Hani is different from you back then as HS supreme. Ofc you have been supreme for a longer time then, but you both were active for a very long time trying to keep the server alive and pushing it to the top (see my above questions when adressing the arguments brought up in general).

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Dont get me wrong people, I am not trying to accuse or ruffle anyone. Id just like to ask some questions in order to get to know the background of your reasons against it and ofc to maybe provide another perspective on things.

---Mimus

[TechN9NE]

Hani deserves this award!! for the reasons stated above!

1. supporting HS for a few years
2. giving a lot of technical support to HS and other servers (now that he is supreme and aswell before, even though with less access at that time)
3. Keeping HS alive during the very inactive times
I would like to add aswell that he
4. Never left the clan, nor ever had a long period of absence
5. Is very active, ingame aswell as in the forums concerning not only spamming, but also giving opinion on several upcoming matters + trying to help
( he's really helpful towards meh! server config wise, forums , && also Just being an awesome out standing member to the clan!

Good Luck Bro!!

[Andre]

Ofc you can say if someone brings a server back to the top is far more oa-worthy than just keeping a server alive, /////// ...someone who keeps a not-so-good-going server alive

there are 3 person that re-borned a totally dead server together that are not anymore in clan that never got it nor they got mentioned anyway. moreoever one of them has even been set to guest from clan friend. won't do any names couse they should be totally obvius and blatant.

don't get me wrong, this has nothing to do with hani, just wanted to bring some attention to some understimated ex members

sorry for the ot

just give it already to hani, such an awesome man ! he totally deserve it!

[Bread]

^ I remember those people

@Mimus: I agreed to those because I believe what they did was deserving of OA. Hani may certainly get an OA in his future, but I don't think the time is now.

[Mimus]

Well, as much as I appreciate you making a statement to my post, Chris, I would even more love it if you could actually answer to it and explain where exactly you see the difference in the things done in order to get an OA between Hani and the other people you agreed on for an OA.

[Hani]

All i can say is that i dont care about having a reward because thats not a big thing for me, and whats more important to me is what im doing/my job for HS .

Besides, Having Rewards n achievements = Supporters will give their results for it, because they know alot more than i do so do we.. and mainly the answer is alrdy given by Mimus - Post #15 in which she is also right,

What MSTs and Supporters said, ofc we should not decline it, because im afraid this thread "may" about to have more pages of "What Hani not OA? cmon.." etc,

So we'll just wait for the result and lock this thread, I have no problems at all about this case,

P.S: Plus thank you(for those who gave their opinions) but however we'll wait for the result .