Think about it (archived by Teleport)

[Mimus]

Today ive been in ND for quite some time.

I have to admit that i rarely visit the servers nowadays, and the time i spent there today gave me some profound impressions of...kinda everything.

The things going on in ND always cause serious discussion, for that reason alone that there are a lot of people playing there and being recruited.

Back then when i came into the clan, the people being recruited were well known before they had a tryout - that changed.

Let me tell you a little story:

There was a person, i just call him A, in ND today. He provoked a bit, yelling HEIL HITLER and calling others jealous of his skills. He used spawn kill once, was warned and stopped it. Because of his provoking i decided to talk to him in a friendly manner, trying to stop him from chagrin everyone just to get some attention.
Another guest, and a few of his proponents, let me call the whole group B, was calling me: fail admin, idiot, bad server admin...much more, no need to go into detail. Things were spread from group B like, bad server, thought this is cool game but now i see stupid admins and stuff.

Now, who is the real problem in here? A, with a lack of attention, bugging people? Or group B, insulting while MEANING it, without having respect at all, wanting to instant kick/ban people like A?

In the end, people like A get kicked or banned. Persons like group B stay in the server as guests and get recruited.

So we have people in clan who dont even think a polite talk could be more benefically than instant kicking/banning/splatting/muting.

AND THESE B-people are the ones causing a lot of the problems we have in clan lately, being bad admins with instant use of commands.

I dont say every problem area is caused by this. But it might be a good idea to make sure the one you are going to recruit is a GOOD member.

---Mimi

PS: Mimis lexicon: GOOD MEMBER: someone who does not only have a lot of XP on a server and a good tryout score, but is also able to represent the CLAN: someone with
- a certain level of speech, without the constant use of bad words
- the discipline not to break any rules
- a friendly, polite behaviour to members and guests

aint that much, huh?

[Surma]

It's too hard for some peoples. It's sad, but true.

[Dope]

Imo, both A and B are wrong, you can spot a troublemaker from a mile away, and to me both A and B are troublemakers if not now then sooner or later.
People can change ofcourse, and people belonging to group B can change over time and put their state of mind for the benefit of the clan, but only time can tell which ones of group B can change or not.

Also, since i never (or almost never, either way, my apologies for that) play in another server apart from TJ, i cannot judge how the mentality there is, in TJ there are troublemakers also but they get dealt with accordingly (warned few times, muted, kicked if they proceed and banned if they still refuse to heed to the warnings etc.) and looking at the banlist it seems that it's effective.

So what i'm trying to say is, and this is without pointing a finger to someone, maybe group A & B should be dealt with more thoroughly, quality over quantity as you wish. If perpetrators are being dealt with the same method i described above, then forget that i said something .

Grtz............................

[Andre]

It's too hard for some peoples. It's sad, but true.

[PeaNuT]

oh I know what you mean... group B isn't what you want. do not become a B you should see person A like a young kid with a big mouth. as an adult you reason with him/her and try to teach him/her some manners

well said mimus.

thx
-peanut-

[YesMan]

This is the game where play decidedly young people. Very young. These are 10-15 years old kids. Everybody (except for some) in this age want to be the best and have as much ascendancy as it is possible. If they aren't - some of them start to shoot their mouth off.
Is it rife? Hmm... Hard to say. We have a lot of players in this age. Are they talking back? Perhaps part of them. But the best part of them are polite and accommodating.
Don't look for the bad one to recruit and focus on the good one.

[Surma]

Don't look for the bad one to recruit and focus on the good one.

This is kinda hard, becouse people do change.

[YesMan]

Don't look for the bad one to recruit and focus on the good one.

This is kinda hard, becouse people do change.

"People don't change. They may want to. They may need to. But don't change"

[Dutch]

I agree, 2 days ago me and P3dopanda got insulted and called things by 2 TWC members! this is getting out of hand..

[Surma]

"People don't change. They may want to. They may need to. But don't change"

Imo, yes.
Example: Me.