Football

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-------------------Team League-----FA Cup-----------League Cup---Community Shield-European Cup----UEFA Cup----Cup Winners' Cup--European Super Cup----Intercontinental Cup--Club World Cup----total
Manchester United--------19-----------11-------------------4--------------19--------------0---------------1-------------1-------------------1-------------------------1----------------1------------60
Manchester City-----------3------------5-------------------2---------------3---------------0---------------1-------------0-------------------0-------------------------0----------------0------------14
the - are for making it more clear to you

now you are probably going to say that i dont have to look in the past but you dont have to say things like city learns united how to play because they win once with 6-1 and than they are the best team ever because they win
if you look at the counting of all time derby's you see city 44-68 for united so here you can see that united is MUCH better than city and it is not because they are out of europa league that they suck because city is out also
and chelsea you cant say of them that they that good if you have saw the match against barca you know they arent that good and also united beated chelsea in CL final a few years ago
you say you dont have to look in the past but if city is that good why is it than that they only have 14 throphee's in like 140 years they exist and united gots 60 throphee's in the same time so back off with youre thing about city is the best because if you think that i only have 5 words to say against you

YOU HAVE NO HISTORY

and btw are you a city fan???