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RE: Post Moderation - Godzilla - 18-03-2017
(18-03-2017, 11:51 PM)HamsteR! Wrote: Idk what is wrong with post +1.
OK, I change +1 for:
Very good post and nice quality of screenshots. BTW Mimus, you want screenshots, proofs so there are. Want more? We can do it. There is sens?
Speed, for this post I don't need google translator (you ask me for it in sb ).
+1 means you think the same way or whatever, you get it. Meaning that when you +1 a negative/insulting reply, you will be checked for earlier offenses or whatver, not sure how it works, understand? Simple +1ing a negative thing might get you punished.
And the screenshots I believe are considered as private
RE: Post Moderation - Mystik - 19-03-2017
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I will not take part in the actual topic because I have absolutely nothing to do with this, but:
(18-03-2017, 11:27 PM)Mimus Wrote: Be careful with what posts you agree to, and be constructive. "+1" posts serve no purpose.
Maybe implement a like system?
https://mods.mybb.com/view/thank-you-like-system
This would reduce useless +1 posts
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RE: Post Moderation - Godzilla - 19-03-2017
(19-03-2017, 12:06 AM)Mystik Wrote: <OFFTOPIC>
I will not take part in the actual topic because I have absolutely nothing to do with this, but:
(18-03-2017, 11:27 PM)Mimus Wrote: Be careful with what posts you agree to, and be constructive. "+1" posts serve no purpose.
Maybe implement a like system?
https://mods.mybb.com/view/thank-you-like-system
This would reduce useless +1 posts
</OFFTOPIC>
Is it necessary? Eventually people will still have outbursts of anger and comment some bad stuff, then other people will like that and might get them punished.
RE: Post Moderation - Mystik - 19-03-2017
(19-03-2017, 12:17 AM)Godzilla Wrote:(19-03-2017, 12:06 AM)Mystik Wrote: ...
Is it necessary? Eventually people will still have outbursts of anger and comment some bad stuff,
Yeah this would just be a way to counter posts that could be interpreted as spam, because they just have +1 because the person wants to show that he agrees with someone's post.
Quote:then other people will like that and might get them punished.
Well moderation decisions here are not my concern, but I hope people won't be punished for agreeing with someone's opinion / liking a post
(Trolling is a whole another subject)
RE: Post Moderation - Coffee - 19-03-2017
Can we have a break and sum up the scores so far? What am I witnessing again?
RE: Post Moderation - Poseidon - 19-03-2017
(18-03-2017, 11:50 PM)imma Wrote:(18-03-2017, 11:45 PM)Godzilla Wrote: the MSTs will take action against bad behaviour
to the people who had enough of some things which was caused by them not doing anything
Applause! No, standing ovations!
You have finally made your choice (MST's).
Looks like the great old members who never had to complain about anything for years, the ones who formed this clan and made me and many others join TWC and even buy the shirt quite some time ago are getting the fingers pointed at them and being punished for just opening their mouths for the first time while a small group of trolls is getting away with 'warnings'.
So you have decided to support the trolls letting them get away again and the old dogs are the bad guys now for telling that there is obviously no justice.
You have decided to make so many people leave because of that, and there were great people!
I don't know how much tolerance you need to simply ignore all the facts and trying to move previous escalations under the carpet by starting from zero again. This shows that you don't care about what happened in the past and this also shows why most people are not satisfied with your clan leadership. But there is obviously a third party in this so called community. The third party are the silent people who still try to focus on their homeservers and don't wish to get involved in anything aside of that.
Tl,dr:
To the MST's: TWC is not a functioning community and your measures to clean it up only result in a cold war.
RE: Post Moderation - Mimus - 19-03-2017
Let me be completely clear. You are all hating on us now for not instantly kicking all those BG members, and instead trying to give you all another chance.
Let me ask you a question. When we posted our last "final warning", we asked all of you to send us proof if something bad happens, because obviously we can not possibly read the chatlogs 24/7. How many of you actually have sent us proof that does not make you look bad yourself? I myself only got proof once, and that was about trasher and zombie, who were immediately banned for their behaviour.
People claim we do not take action, when it is them who neglect to do their part.
How hard can it be to understand that we are no omniscient magicians who always know whats going on everywhere in every little corner of TWC?
Average time for us to check chatlogs is about one hour. Average time for member to make a screenshot and upload it: 2 minutes.
How many MSTs available to read chatlogs? 3. How many members available to upload screenshots? Count them yourselves.
Do the math, people.
If you want to see blood flowing so badly, then we WILL kick people, no problem. However, if you want us to decide who has to go and who can stay, we will not go after standards like "who threw the first pile of shit" or "who threw the biggest pile of shit". Instead, we will look for people who, in general, joined the mudfight and threw shit. Thats it. And that means, that we will kick A LOT of people from various servers, including some of you who replied to this thread asking for more severe punishments.
We kick a lot of you. Maybe even ban you on all our servers so the hate does not continue as guests. But is that worth it? Think about it. Not only the "evil BG members" will lose everything - a lot of you will, too. You will lose the friends you have in this community, you will not be able to play on our servers anymore, you will miss out on a lot of fun with other people, you will essentially lose the place you once called home. Does your hate towards BG members go so far that you cut your own flesh just to get some sort of twisted revenge?
If you are wanting it so much, we will make a list of people who are gonna get kicked and then let you decide if we should kick all of them - or none.
We do not support the trolls by not kicking. We try to support ALL OF YOU. We are applying the same rules for everyone, and because we assume you dont want to get kicked, we try to find a solution for ALL OF YOU that does not end in a third to half of the clan being removed from it.
If I am correct, your main problem seems to be that we do not punish the BG people harder than the others. Your arguments seem to be "because BG people were more mean" and because "BG people started".
There were people in ALL servers, that chose to not join the fights. This is something you all could have done, too. At least after the final warning we posted where we said no matter when and what, if someone insults and we get proof, he gets punished/kicked.
But A LOT of you, on both sides, chose to continue the mudfight. And this is where none of the sides is any better than the other, no matter how you put it.
We are not your parents. We are not magicians. We are just people. We can offer you an insult-free (due to the moderation) place (the forum) to talk about the problems you have. But we can not possibly solve them for you. YOu are all grown up people. We can not snip our fingers and suddenly all the hate is gone. We are no parents who can say "now hug and its all over". Thats impossible. Even if we would kick people, that does not solve the problem, it aswell only fights the symptoms, because the people still play on our servers, or play on other servers, and will still hate each other.
To all of those coming up with "easy solutions": We ask you to provide us with a reasonable solution to the dilemma that we have explained in all detail several times by now. So far we heard none.
RE: Post Moderation - Maths - 19-03-2017
We are shattering
RE: Post Moderation - Poseidon - 19-03-2017
"A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will."
Although it seems to me that you don't even read our posts and don't seem to care about the arguments while just repeating what you have said before let me give you what you want.
Proof 1: Before the new PsA team was formed there was no sign of conflicts within TWC. Who was the loudest to call for changes?
Proof 2: Within half a year things got out of control as you obviously can see (why would you open this and other threads then?). Now you can not tell me that we (members from 2015 and earlier) are the bad guys for simply reacting to the 'things' that have happened over that period of time although I have to admit that some of us have not been constructive and did not always chose their words wisely including myself of course. But this only shows to all of you that we care about the atmosphere in our once beloved community.
Proof 3: Now let me get back to the quote in the beginning of this post. Can you see the leaving posts? The people who have left now had almost nothing to do with it but can you also see why they took the consequences? Of course not because you still think that it is us who want to see the blood flowing. But hey, what is happening now?
Feel free to ban me, Hani, Master and many others for trying to open your eyes on that situation. Ban us from all your servers but don't forget what we have done to improve server activity and the community over the years and see the glass shattering within a couple of months but especially today. This is also my last post on this forum, as long as things stay as they do, crying for justice that has been great until summer 2016 and still acceptable until last autumn.
I wanted to rejoin because after being inactive over the last weeks I had the feeling that things really improved a bit. But looks like this ia not going to happen.
Farewell
An upset ex member.
RE: Post Moderation - $ubzero - 19-03-2017
Poseidon I agree on most of your post but your proof isn't 100 percent right.
Proof 1: I saw a similair thing happen before with PSA, when Snacky was leading it.
Back then PSA was almost all PW, they saw the problem and left the PSA so it didn't escalate further.
The new PSA just took the same road.
I saw the same thing what is happening here happen in my ex clan. This has to do with the rotation of old members and new members.
Generation difference between them can get quite big. And leadership easily get's the blame for not doing sth about it.
The way old members see things (behaviour, character etc) isn't how new (young) members have their standards.
Leadership has a big role to play in this ofcourse, but like they said they aren't gods that see everything.
Like they said come with the proof (screenshots) and they will act.
But like poseidon said in the past their was already a lot of misbehaviour of various people,
but when it isn't brought to the attention of the MST with (good) proof they can't do anything about it.
But the old members (most) just kept quiet, and it built up to the moment we are now. Where it is too much to hold in.